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A question for all revolutionaries: who's next?
a) boxer
b) fascist
c) cunning Jew
d) woman with long hair
a) boxer
b) fascist
c) cunning Jew
d) woman with long hair
Javdet
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Wicc
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The idea of making Yanukovych punish lower-ranking officers of the Berkut or the Ministry of Internal Affairs is relevant. It would show the entire contingent of fascist police officers that they will be held accountable for their actions. But Yanukovych promised the entire Berkut that he would not punish anyone, and so far he has kept his word. The Berkut has not been punished even for the beating of students on November 30; it has already been 2 months.
I wrote above that you can only go after lower-ranking officers if the violations are their personal initiative, and not a result of following orders from higher-ranking officers. This, on the contrary, increases the manageability of the structure, so higher-ranking officers are willing to take such actions.
The president of the country is not an enemy to himself; any ruler wants the population to love and appreciate him. It is much easier to govern a loyal population. It's just that not everyone has the intelligence/talent/resources to earn this loyalty. However, this is not the primary goal; the loyalty of the elite is much more important – it is easy for them to overthrow the ruler, but it is difficult for the people.
Therefore, it is dangerous for the ruler to enter into a direct conflict with the elite; this is done only in critical cases, when either the elite has gone out of control, or they have allowed a strong external threat to power to emerge. Therefore, smart rulers do not conflict with the elite, but slowly and carefully "groom" them, change their attitudes, explain the rules of the game, and carry out repression only against those who have violated them, and with the consent of the rest of the elite, and usually in the form of a public flogging – so that others will not dare to do the same.
The people, through skillful actions, can accelerate this process – for this, they need to independently identify the violators and express their will, demanding punishment. This provides the ruler with a point of support in internal elite squabbles – he is not an absolute monarch, but rather a judge over the groups around power. Therefore, in order to suppress some, it is necessary to rely on others.
For example:
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D1%F2%EE%EF%F5%E0%EC
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%E1%F9%E5%F1%F2%E2%EE_%f1%e8%ed%e8%f5_%e2%e5%e4%b8%f0%ee%ea
In April 2012, the project gained notoriety after an incident at the "European" shopping center in Moscow, in which Madina Mingaeva, the wife of the Deputy Plenipotentiary Representative of Chechnya to the President of the Russian Federation, Tamerlan Mingaeva, who parked her car incorrectly, and Mingaev's son, who was urgently called by his mother to resolve the issue, took part. The conflict ended in a brawl, during which Madina and Islam Mingaev tried to force the operators to destroy the recording, and also threatened them and their families with physical violence. However, the recording ended up on the Internet, and as of August 2012, it had been viewed more than five million times on YouTube. A scandal broke out, and a criminal case was opened for hooliganism. On May 5, 2012, the President of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, officially announced the dismissal of Mingaev in connection with the unacceptable public actions of his wife.
Dark30
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Usually, when there's nothing substantial to say, people write these short, limited pieces based on their own narrow worldview, followed by conclusions based on their own assumptions. Thanks, Captain Obvious!
I think I'll go do something more useful.
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A question for all revolutionaries: who's next?
a) boxer
b) fascist
c) cunning Jew
d) woman with braids
Javdet
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If they overthrow the ruling power, they will start fighting each other.
Roger-ua
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A question for all revolutionaries: who's next?
a) boxer
b) fascist
c) cunning Jew
d) woman with braids
The answer isn't for Javdet; I've explained it to him many times on ICQ. It's more for Dark and others who are looking for an answer to the question of what will happen after the fascist junta of Yanek. The idea that a leader will come who we (the people of Ukraine) trust, and everything will be fine, has already been tried with Yushchenko. Experience has shown that this is not the right path. Here, the words of K. Sobchak are more appropriate: if Navalny is put in the position of president of Russia, and there is no народный control behind him, then it is not a fact that he will not become Putin or even worse. We need control over the president (the authorities) from the people. Let's call it the need for institutions of power that will be responsible for this control.
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A question for all revolutionaries: who's next?
a) boxer
b) fascist
c) cunning Jew
d) woman with braids
None of the options. They are all orange. Someone from the regions. But if I had to choose from these four, it would be a 50/50 chance between Egghead and Y.
But it seems like Yanukovych might be back for a second time.
Dark
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This response isn't for Javdet; I've explained it to him multiple times on ICQ. It's more for Dark and others who are looking for an answer to the question of what will happen after the fascist junta of Yanek.
The idea that a leader will come who we (the people of Ukraine) will trust, and everything will be fine, has already been tried with Yushchenko. Experience has shown that this is not the right path. K. Sobchak's words are more appropriate: if Navalny is made president of Russia, and there is no народный контроль (popular control) behind him, then it is not a fact that he will not become Putin or even worse.
We need control over the president (the authorities) from the people. Let's call it the need for institutions of power that will be responsible for this control.
Dark30
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This response isn't for Javdet; I've explained this to him multiple times on the forum. It's more for Dark and others who are looking for an answer to the question of what will happen after the fascist junta of Yanukovych.
The idea that a leader will come who we (the people of Ukraine) will trust, and everything will be fine, has already been tried with Yushchenko. Experience has shown that this is not the right path. K. Sobchak's words are more appropriate: if Navalny is made president of Russia, and there is no народный контроль (popular control) behind him, then it is not a given that he will not become Putin, or even worse.
We need control over the president (the authorities) from the people. Let's call it the need for institutions of power that will handle this control.
Ihtiandr
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But it seems like Yanukovych might get a second chance.
He should be in jail. And not for the second time, but for the third!
Roger-ua
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Dark, if you equate the actions of the fascist junta of Yanukovych (I don't even want to describe all their atrocities) with the generally peaceful actions of the people, I am ashamed of you, and there is nothing to discuss.
You remind me of Vatya-2, who, in response to the fact that 5 people were tortured to death by Berkut, stated that more people die in traffic accidents, after which I blocked him on AIM.
http://v-n-zb.livejournal.com/6615933.html
You remind me of Vatya-2, who, in response to the fact that 5 people were tortured to death by Berkut, stated that more people die in traffic accidents, after which I blocked him on AIM.
http://v-n-zb.livejournal.com/6615933.html
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He should be in jail)) And not for the second time, but for the third!
Well, it wouldn't hurt any of them to spend some time there. One of them, for example, occupied an entire wing of the hospital, as if she were staying there. The country hasn't suffered because of this.
Dark, if you equate the actions of the fascist junta of Yanukovych (I don't even want to describe all their atrocities) with the generally peaceful (so far) actions of the people, I am ashamed of you, and there is nothing to talk about.
You remind me of Vatya-2, who, in response to 5 people being tortured to death by Berkut, stated that more people die in traffic accidents, after which I deleted him from my contact list.
http://v-n-zb.livejournal.com/6615933.html
Peaceful actions with Molotov cocktails? Well, yes, it's not like attacking parliament with a tank.
And why are they called the peaceful actions of the people? Is the entire population going to work or staying at home? There was an attempt to seize something in Zaporozhye, it seems, about 300 people, while the population there is about a million. So, where is the "people"?
Roger DAltavilla
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You see, the problem is that none of the revolutionaries have a clear plan for what to do once they come to power, how to get out of the mess we're in, but there is a guaranteed winning slogan: "we can't go on like this!!!", but no one says how we can change.
1. The President – Ukraine doesn't need him. This is a Russian mindset: there must be a prince-tsar-emperor-leader-general secretary-president, due to natural circumstances. Ukrainians don't have this archetype, because of the people's increased "freedom," that's why the president doesn't take root.
And it's not needed, let it be a parliamentary republic.
2. Representation of different parties not only in the legislative, but also in the executive branch. Because right now, what's happening? The ruling party appoints the government, which is the same as with the president, just from a different angle. But it could be: the ruling party appoints a prime minister, and he assembles a team from different parties, say, one ministerial portfolio for every 12-15 deputies. This is certainly a complex management task, but the head of state should only deal with such tasks, selecting suitable people for suitable positions.
3. Separation of the state from business. A manifesto stating that if a person decides to pursue a political career, they cannot engage in business, and neither can their children. And no law can be passed in favor of one enterprise to the detriment of others. Creating such a legal environment in which firms and organizations can only compete through economic means. This should be the main task of the state, which cannot be accomplished in a few years. That is, the main task of the state should be: creating conditions under which the population of Ukraine will peacefully and fairly develop the wealth of their country.
Ukraine's wealth:
30% of the world's reserves of black soil (the most productive soil)
reserves of coal, iron, and manganese ore (direct competitors to Russia)
a complete cycle of aircraft construction has been preserved
automobile construction (forget about passenger cars, but you can produce public transport yourself)
shipbuilding (unfortunately, it is in a state of suspended animation)
a population of 45 million, a considerable resource and a huge domestic market.
And much more, we just need a Creator to follow the Destroyers.
Dark30
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Peaceful actions with Molotov cocktails? Well, yes, it's not like attacking parliament with a tank.
And why are these considered peaceful actions of the people? Is everyone working or staying at home? The attempted takeover in Zaporizhzhia, as far as I can tell, involved about three hundred people, while the city has a population of over a million. So, where are all these people?
To Roger: If I remind you of someone, if you read my post above and understood that this is exactly what I was talking about, if you want to remove me from your ICQ contact list, then you have every right to do so. I'm not here to try to convince anyone of anything, and I won't cry if you remove me from your ICQ contact list. I will only be saddened by the fact that people in our country read between the lines and don't try to understand each other.
Dark
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Dark, if you equate the actions of the fascist junta of Yanukovych (I don't even want to describe all their atrocities) with the generally peaceful (so far) actions of the people, I am ashamed of you, and there is nothing to discuss.
You remind me of Vatya-2, who, in response to the fact that 5 people were tortured to death by Berkut, stated that more people die in traffic accidents, after which I deleted him from my contact list.
http://v-n-zb.livejournal.com/6615933.html
Ihtiandr
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They could all use a visit there, but one of them occupied an entire wing of the hospital, just sitting there. The country hasn't suffered because of it.
The current actions of the people, and what they are leading the country to, may lead to much worse consequences, both economically and in terms of the number of victims (future ones).
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