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You divide people into "half of whom I would call an army of... well, let's say people who eat popcorn and watch TV while judging," and the dissatisfied. And as is clearly evident from your posts, you (like many others) are very dissatisfied with the authorities, who have exhausted their usefulness. So, either you are in the first category, eating popcorn in front of the TV, or you are on the Maidan, protesting against the authorities and the Berkut. That's how I reason.

I divide them?? My friend, I suggest we end this here. Either you should read more carefully, or you should formulate your thoughts more precisely.
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It's unclear what will happen next. Will another "loser" come along and start complaining about how terribly the previous leaders left the country? Will they tell us that we need to pull ourselves together and be patient? All the while, they'll be lining their own pockets and redistributing the loot. And the people are supposed to just accept this? We know how this goes; we've been through it before. Changing the order of the addends doesn't change the sum. As for the "pots," what's not to understand? Those who so eagerly desire European integration don't plan to stay here. They simply want to "work" in the EU with at least some rights, and the types of jobs they'll be doing are already becoming clear. And those who stay don't need European integration; they need clear rules of the game, whether with Europe or without it. Oh, and all this mess will, of course, affect those who are currently there, and unfortunately, not in a good way. The dollar is already weakening, which means they are becoming poorer, without understanding even the most basic things.

Because of people with this kind of attitude, there have been slightly fewer positive changes in Ukraine over the past 15 years.

Dark30, are you satisfied with the current state of affairs? Come and support the current government, contribute your share to "bringing order" to the country.
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It's unclear what will happen next. Will another "loser" come along and start complaining about the terrible state the country was left in by the previous leaders? Will they tell us that we need to pull ourselves together and be patient? All the while, they'll be lining their own pockets and redistributing the stolen wealth. And the people are supposed to just accept this? We've seen it before, we've been through it. Changing the order of the addends doesn't change the sum.

Yeah, another loser will come along. Is anyone arguing that? Has anyone here said that someone amazing will come? How many times do we have to talk about this? People are tired of the current situation, they want someone else, not everyone is sure it will be better, but they still want someone else. Is this such a difficult concept to understand?
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...the dollar is already rising, and therefore they are becoming poorer, without understanding the simplest things.

"The rising dollar leads to poverty" - this is a line of reasoning from twenty years ago, please don't write if you don't understand. The dollar exchange rate has long had no direct relationship to this. In any case, you can't even imagine the war that is being waged behind the scenes for the dollar exchange rate; some want it to rise (metallurgy), others want it to fall. In reality, it is managed manually, and today's fluctuations are pure speculation, and to blame the "Maidan" for this means showing your complete ignorance on this issue.
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...I didn't understand the joke about the non-competitiveness of our products in Europe – I don't understand what they're filling you with there? The situation is completely the opposite; our products aren't allowed into Europe because they are, in fact, competitive...

Are you talking about the Ukrainian automotive industry when you say "competitive"? In general, Ukrainian goods are a relic. As Kuchma said, if someone produces something in Ukraine, they are already a monopolist. And they're pushing us with what's available for sale – China, Poland, Turkey. Sorry, but to buy Ukrainian potatoes, you have to go all over the city, and they're somehow more expensive.

One of the achievements of the Euromaidan is already evident – the exchange rate has been steadily increasing from 8.17 to 8.5, the cash rate is around 9, and prices are accordingly rising. Now we just have to wait for gas prices to go back up to 450.
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Thanks to people with such an attitude, there have been slightly fewer positive changes in Ukraine over the past 15 years.

Dark30, are you satisfied with the current state of affairs? Come and support the current government, contribute to "establishing" order in the country.
I'm not going to take sides, I'm not supporting the current regime, I'm against these actions that are happening now, destroying and ruining everything.
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It's about Ukrainian goods, even if not all of them. China is obviously out of competition. Poland and Turkey – besides clothing, shoes, and strawberries, are there any other examples? I'm just not aware of them. Friends, there's a concept called specialization; read about it if you're not familiar. And in this area, our automotive industry is certainly weak; let's all point our fingers at it and applaud the finger-pointers.
Potatoes – so what's the problem for you? Buy cheap GMOs from Syria or somewhere else? No, you want ours, even if it's more expensive. Isn't this what competitiveness is all about? Or are you saying that ours rots somewhere? I don't understand what you wanted to say with the potato example? Or are you just as knowledgeable about this as you are about currency fluctuations?
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"The rising dollar leads to poverty" - these are arguments from over a decade ago; please don't write if you don't understand. The dollar exchange rate has long ceased to have a direct impact on this. In any case, you can't even imagine the war being waged behind the scenes over the dollar exchange rate; some want it to rise (metallurgy), others want it to fall. In reality, it is managed manually, and today's fluctuations are pure speculation, and complaining about "Maidan" for this shows a complete lack of understanding of the issue.
Not at all. I won't engage in a debate and prove my "eleven-year-old" truth; simply refute the fact that half of our products, raw materials, and other goods are imported, and therefore purchased in dollars. Now that it is rising, prices will rise one way or another. Calculate how many kilograms of meat you can buy with your 3,000 UAH salary and how much you could buy in November, for example. If something is wrong, correct it. In principle, I just wanted to say a few things, the outcome is not far off, we'll live and see, people live with hope, but unfortunately, after hope, they are waiting for another disappointment.

P.S. I'm not a pessimist; I'm a realist).
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just refute the fact that half of our products, raw materials, and other goods are imported.

I don't see any facts that need to be refuted, just words. 50% is a significant overestimation. So, manual control is nonsense, and the Maidan is to blame? Okay.
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I did a little research online, and I didn't say that the Maidan protests were to blame or that manual control wasn't a factor; rather, a combination of factors leads us to the saying: "we have what we have."
What influences the exchange rate?

Like any price, the exchange rate tends to deviate from its value base, which is influenced by supply and demand, which in turn depend on many factors. The exchange rate is linked to a large number of economic categories: price, value, money, balance of payments, and others. All factors are very closely related, and it is impossible to single out any dominant one. The main ones are:

Inflation rate
Balance of payments
Difference in interest rates in different countries
Functioning of foreign exchange markets and conducting speculative foreign exchange operations
Level of confidence in the national currency in the domestic and foreign markets
Currency policy
National income
Conjunctural factors

So, I wouldn't be so categorical and say that only one person on the forum understands currency fluctuations, and the rest are clueless.)

As for imports and exports, Google is your friend; I didn't exaggerate, but rather understated the figures. In 2013, imports exceeded exports, and I don't think I need to explain what follows from this to such an expert (absolutely without sarcasm, because it's clear that you understand).
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Ukrainian potatoes, carrots, etc. – either they are high-quality from a private farmer, or they are full of nitrates, phosphates, and so on. A private farmer won't ship three bags to Europe, but they have plenty of produce with nitrates. So, where is the export? We don't need to read about specialization. It's enough to look at how much and what the industry produces. One airplane in two years. A serious claim to generate foreign currency for the country. If they could do something, they either have forgotten how or nobody needs it anymore. There is no progress in science, and even less in production. As much as I would like to, I can't name a single industry that would be considered advanced (of course, except for confectionery, meat and dairy, where everything is at a good level – it's all based on chemicals). So, what kind of competition can there be, especially with the West, where productivity is many times higher? All that remains is Russia, which we are trying to distance ourselves from. And do we need to understand currency fluctuations when it's obvious that increased activity at the Euromaidan leads to a higher exchange rate for the dollar? Ask people who are buying dollars, different people, why they are doing it. The priority is political instability. And in this case, you don't need to be a super-financier; the current dollar exchange rate is entirely the merit of the Euromaidan.
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I did a quick Google search, and I didn't say that the Maidan is to blame or that manual control isn't to blame. A combination of factors leads us to the saying: we have what we have.
What affects the exchange rate?

Like any price, the exchange rate is subject to deviations from its value base, which occur under the influence of supply and demand, which depend on many factors. The exchange rate is related to a large number of economic categories: price, value, money, balance of payments, and others. All factors are very closely related, and it is impossible to single out any dominant one. The main ones are:

Inflation rate
Balance of payments
Difference in interest rates in different countries
Functioning of foreign exchange markets and the implementation of speculative foreign exchange operations
The level of confidence in the national currency in the domestic and foreign markets
Currency policy
National income
Conjunctive factors

So, to be so categorical, that only one person on the forum understands currency fluctuations, and the rest are just dust, I wouldn't.

And regarding imports and exports, Google is also helpful. I didn't exaggerate, but rather understated. In 2013, imports exceeded exports, and what follows from this, I think, I don't need to explain to such a pro (absolutely without sarcasm, because it is clear that there is understanding).

As a financier, I don't understand what you Googled or what you meant by this post? Maybe you can find at least one more person on the forum who understood?
I am more inclined to think that this is generally a third topic, different from the dependence of the dollar exchange rate on impoverishment or manual control of the exchange rate, and who is to blame for this.
It doesn't matter what the reasons for the exchange rate fluctuations are; in our case, if the dollar rises, then the dollar-denominated goods imported lose their competitiveness. Dollar economies are not interested in the dollar rising too much in certain markets, because they will start importing from Asia and Europe; these are large market mechanisms that we are somehow trying to project onto the Maidan without understanding the basics and proving our rightness to the teeth or until we turn green.
Here, for example, is the dynamics of the dollar exchange rate:
in Ukraine: 25.11.13 - 8.22; 24.01.14 - 8.55, an increase of 4%
and in Russia: 25.11.13 - 32.9; 24.01.14 - 34.2, an increase of 4%
So, is there also a Maidan there? Poor Russians, our Maidan made them poorer too.

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Ukrainian potatoes, carrots, etc. - either of good quality from a private farmer, or with nitrates, phosphates, etc. A private farmer won't ship three bags to Europe, but they have plenty of their own with nitrates. So, where is the export?

We don't need to read about specialization. It is enough to look at how much and what the industry produces. One airplane in two years. A serious bid for foreign exchange earnings for the country. If they could do something, they either have forgotten how or no one needs it. There is no progress in science, and even less in production. As much as I would like it, I cannot name a single industry that would be considered advanced (of course, except for confectionery, meat and dairy, where everything is at a level - all based on chemistry). So, what kind of competition, especially with the West, where productivity is many times higher?? So, all that remains is Russia, from which we are trying to distance ourselves.

And do we need to understand currency fluctuations when it is obvious that higher activity in the Euromaidan leads to a higher exchange rate? Ask people who buy dollars, different people, why they do it. The priority is political instability. And there is no need to be a super-duper financier in this case; the current dollar exchange rate is purely the merit of the Euromaidan.

Somehow, we switched to potato exports. That is, a private farmer will ship three bags to Russia, but not to Poland? Or let him ship chemistry to Russia; there is enough of his own chemistry in Europe? Honestly, I can't grasp the logical sequence of your reasoning; it's more like some kind of reaction to the reasoning of old ladies near the entrance. You don't know what we export; look at the reports. You don't like chemistry; it's everywhere now; what's there to discuss? You don't like the Maidan; you don't like this, you don't like that... Well, this is already a certain state of mind when you don't like everything around you; I don't know how to help with that.
I won't argue about the exchange rate anymore; Maidan is Maidan; let it make you feel better.
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Piterius, what are you trying to prove to the trolls? It's just simple envy...((( Someone here is forcing others to study history, but they themselves should read about the reasons behind revolutions. The fact is that in Ukraine now, there is a veiled slave-owning and serf system for 80% of the population. And therefore, people are tired of it.
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Piterius, what are you trying to prove to the trolls? It's just simple envy...((( Someone here is forcing others to study history, but they themselves should read about the reasons behind revolutions. The fact is that in Ukraine now, there is a veiled slave-owning and serf system for 80% of the population. And therefore, people are tired of it.
What are they envious of? Just out of curiosity.
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There, it is stated: The level of confidence in the national currency on the domestic and foreign markets... What is not clear here?

And as a finance expert, he should know that the example of the dollar's exchange rate growth in Russia, compared to the exchange rate growth in Ukraine, is, to put it mildly, inappropriate. The national currency is also falling in Zimbabwe.

Yes, I don't like the Maidan, because of which prices have already risen, I don't like that a huge amount of budget money has already been spent on this Maidan, and most importantly, I don't like that as a result, we are simply replacing one thing with another. All the specifics of the life of Ukrainians will remain the same, whether it is in orange or blue.
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It is stated there: The level of confidence in the national currency on the domestic and foreign markets... What is unclear about that?

And as a financial expert, he should know that the example of the dollar's exchange rate growth in Russia, compared to the exchange rate growth in Ukraine, is, to put it mildly, inappropriate. The national currency is also falling in Zimbabwe.

Yes, I don't like the Maidan, because of which prices have already risen, I don't like that a lot of budget money has already been spent on this Maidan, and most importantly, I don't like that as a result, we are just replacing one bad thing with another. All the specifics of the life of Ukrainians will remain the same, whether they are orange or blue.
Yes, everyone understands everything, I think our financial expert probably also keeps his savings in foreign currency at the moment, we are just envious of him))), but in fact, we are all in the same boat, and unfortunately, we are currently going down the river.

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