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Vatya, do you consider yourself and the entire population to be mere meat, devoid of rights?
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I heard that you shouldn't confuse a Russian person with a citizen of Russia. A Russian is a Russian! And a citizen of Russia is what you described.
On the contrary – a Russian is what I said, and some citizens of Russia dance the Lezginka.
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If you knew history better, you would be aware that in 1937 there were serious internal power struggles within the elite, caused by both external and internal factors. In fact, most of the fears surrounding 1937 are fueled by the part of the elite that lost in those power struggles. This group made up the majority of those who were repressed.

One and a half million people were repressed – is that the elite?
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Vatya, do you consider yourself and your entire nation as mere meat, devoid of rights?
It's not my opinion, but the opinion of those in power, and that applies to any power, be it the USA, Europe, Russia, or Ukraine. The question is whether it's worth the effort... And we need to consider the scale of things...
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One and a half million repressed – is that the elite?
One and a half billion, dude, you're behind the times. :)

Man, who am I arguing with... go study history, then you can start teaching others about life.
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History is the most deceptive of all sciences.
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History is the most deceitful science.
Indeed, because it breeds all sorts of Ikhtiandrs with a bunch of ideological garbage in their heads.
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Just today, this topic has gained over 100 new posts. Sorry, but there are already over 1000 posts related to political arguments here, and I don't feel like digging through them to find links for you.

Well, he threw out some nonsense and disappeared faster than I could respond. It's not surprising that he craves to be commanded and controlled. It's difficult for him to think for himself.
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Well, now it has started in other cities of Ukraine as well. Sad...
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Sooner or later, it was bound to happen...
Better sooner than later.
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Just type "riots in London" into Yandex or Google and click on the image section.
Well, I clicked, and where are the police officers stripping captured hooligans naked and generally making fun of them???
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And if he's from St. Petersburg but supports Spartak, is he no longer from St. Petersburg?

Dividing people based on national identity is only useful for political and ideological confrontation. In everyday and business communication, it's important what language a person speaks and what their cultural patterns are.

So, if a person speaks Russian and behaves like a Russian, then I perceive him as Russian, even if he's black. And this approach is very common among Russians - it has developed over centuries of living in a multinational environment. For example, the problem with guest workers from the south is not their nationality, but their boisterous behavior and clustering in diasporas, and partly their weak command of the language.
Three paragraphs are written (although the first is short, but the most accurate), but there is little meaning. You wrote satire in plain text about the fact that the Ukrainian people are concentrated in western Ukraine. I argued that the Ukrainian people include both eastern and central Ukraine, regardless of whether they speak Russian or Ukrainian. And this very people mostly identify themselves as Ukrainian. Now you are writing about your personal perception of people, about guest workers, about cultural patterns, and so on - demagoguery. If this is your personal perception, then present it as your personal opinion, and don't throw around peremptory phrases, and try to confirm them with some surveys, somehow pulled here.
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[QUOTE]P.S. 5 people died, and there are still people whining about the poor Berkut. They should be hanged, every other one of them. P.P.S. Rom, can you imagine such behavior from police in the EU? I can't. And if someone even thought of it, they would be torn to shreds in a couple of days and would never work in the police again.[/QUOTE] 5 people? 2 were shot on Maidan, and the Berkut didn't have firearms, only rubber bullets. There were rumors that 1 Berkut officer beat someone to death, but there is no evidence, only a video of stretchers covered with a blanket being carried out of a building captured by fascists. I haven't found any other facts or where the other 2 came from. I won't talk about the USA and how they treat their citizens – the legalization of torture, social programs that don't work (for example, after the 2013 hurricane, a town that wasn't even warned about the hurricane suffered, all the money was stolen, and people rebuilt on their own, with no help from the government), police with no limits, genocide of the people – it might sound like an exaggeration, but that's how I see it, especially after 9/11. Or are there still people who believe it was Al-Qaeda? I've gotten too sidetracked talking about the USA, but you can't ignore them because the EU is essentially controlled by the USA. Look at how they dispersed people in the streets of France when they legalized same-sex marriage. People weren't throwing Molotov cocktails; the protest was peaceful. There are many examples, but I don't think it's worth going into them. Let's get back to the logic: why would a prosperous EU need Ukraine with its debts, ruined economy (which still exists!), and other "charms"? If you look closely at the stated demands (which were even hidden from the Verkhovna Rada, which received them 2 hours before the agreement was adopted), it becomes clear that Ukraine is just another colony for the EU, like Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, and the Baltic states... through which pressure can be exerted on Russia from a third side. Do you want a European standard of living? If you're not lazy, take a quick look at how much the average European spends on housing (about 70% of their salary). And the acceptance of same-sex tolerance in developed countries, I can only describe it as genocide of the people (I hope it's no secret that Europe is dying out?) and many other "benefits" that we so desperately need in Ukraine! And the fact that they show you on TV how the same Americans live with billions of dollars – look at how many percent of the population receives social assistance and lives on the streets because they couldn't pay off their loans... Let's go back to the Maidan. In 2004, they elected Yushchenko, who, in my opinion, ruined Ukraine even more than Yanukovych. Nevertheless, he served out his term, even though everyone was gritting their teeth, no less than they are now. If there are any experts here who can justify that overthrowing the government (in a civilized country, at least in the last 100 years) through a revolution has only benefited that country, I would be happy to read it. I'm not defending Yanukovych; he's a scoundrel and a bandit. Show me a politician in Ukraine who works differently, for the benefit of the people. Glory to Ukraine!


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P.S. Five people died, and there are still people lamenting the unfortunate golden eagle. They should be hanged, every other one of them.
P.P.S. Rom, can you imagine such behavior from police officers in the EU? I can't. And if someone even thought of it, they would be thoroughly beaten and would never work in the police again.
Here, a user is providing a text commentary - http://ermalex76.livejournal.com/2356.html

An excerpt from it:
A brief summary of yesterday's events. Yesterday, at 00:00, the laws of January 16th came into effect. The opposition's storming of the parliament on January 19th failed. The crowd hesitated, and to spur them on with blood, the curators of the opposition and the organizers of the coup committed a series of murders of protesters. The victims of the murders were carefully selected.

1. A resident of Dnepropetrovsk, of Armenian ethnicity, who had been at Maidan since the beginning, was killed. A sniper fired a shot to the heart in the classic "Libyan" style.
2. A protester from the Belarusian opposition was killed.
3. They were taken to the forest and Yuriy Verbytsky, a resident of Lviv, and another unidentified person were killed there. In order to convince the people of Lviv that the authorities had committed the murder, they SPECIFICALLY left a third prisoner alive - Igor Lutsenko, who said that the "titushki" and mercenaries of the authorities had captured and killed them.

All these murders are in one way or another connected to the date of January 22nd. I remind you that January 22nd is the Day of Unity of Ukraine, the day of its unification. On the eve, the leader of Ukrainian neo-Nazis, Tyagnibok, sent a black and red neo-Nazi flag to every REGIONAL CENTER, formally to celebrate January 22nd. For those who are not aware, sending the flag through villages and towns is an old tradition in western Ukraine. It signifies a call to rebellion or uprising. It was not the Ukrainian flag that was sent, but the Bandera flag, the flag of Ukrainian nationalism.

Why were these particular victims chosen?

The death of a "person of Caucasian nationality" should cause a stir in the Armenian community. The Armenian community, as it turned out, is the most crime-prone in Ukraine. The outrage of potentially violent people contributes to destabilizing the situation. Moreover, the deceased joked on his Vkontakte page that he was friends with Chechen terrorists.

The murder of a Belarusian opposition member should create the idea in the minds of ordinary people that it is revenge by the "criminal Belarusian regime" in the person of Batka, Putin, and the Customs Union. At the same time, Belarusian opposition members are given a warning that they will be killed soon, just like in Ukraine.

The murder (or causing death) of people from Lviv is obvious. It is fueling the confrontation between West and East. In order for the people of Lviv not to doubt and clearly understand what to do, they left Igor Lutsenko alive, after showing him the criminal faces of the "Donetsk authorities," and he then broadcast them to the whole country.

For some reason, I believe this version more. Why would Yanukovych need corpses? That's right, he doesn't. But the opposition needs them.

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And here is an interesting phrase on the air of Channel 5, said by Tsarev. "I have been saying for two weeks that Maidan needs victims."
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Pete wrote about his life in Paris, and I didn't notice any complaints about the standard of living or genocide of the people there. On SC2TV, there's a streamer with the nickname Koshka or something like that, an ethnic Ukrainian who lives in the USA, and she has repeatedly debunked the myths about unemployment and the low standard of living for emigrants. I have acquaintances in Canada who run businesses and are happy with everything; they don't plan to return to Ukraine. And in general, I haven't heard much about people who moved to Europe and now complain and whine that they would have been better off not leaving (or going to Russia, Belarus, or China). But there are plenty of people who would like to leave. And I don't quite understand what Europe has to do with it. Right now, there's a struggle against the regime, against the mafia, against corruption and lawlessness, and not for joining the EU or NATO. And I'm amazed that some people don't understand this, but think that a group of paid Nazis and Westerners came out to riot in the city. That's how clouded their vision must be...
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For some reason, I believe this version more. Why would Yanukovych need corpses? That's right – he doesn't. But the opposition desperately needs them.
Here's another quote from the same source:

This is similar to the idea that all provocations in Syria are the work of Bashar al-Assad.
It's often easier to find answers to many questions if you consider them not at the epicenter of events, but on a global scale.
"Follow the money" or, in this case, "Look who benefits."


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