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Regarding the other points, you have accurately described the reasons why I myself don't see a future for Wargame: The Red Dragon (WTRD). But specifically, CIS-2014 still needs to be held on it, as even in its current state, WTRD is better suited for this task. At least because of the possibility of playing XL+U and mirror matches.
I'm crying...:smile39:
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Regarding the other points, you have accurately described the reasons why I myself don't see a future for WT. But specifically, CIS 2014 should still be held on it, as even in its current state, WT is better suited for this task. At least because it allows playing XL+U and mirror matches.

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What's the point of all this dialogue? There is an initiative group (organizer and judges) who will make a decision on the version, and then it's up to each person: to go or not to go. Moreover, for most people, the version is not a determining factor in making a decision.
The leader is outlining everything in an interesting way, but from his own perspective... By the way, reading his posts, it's ultimately unclear who is criticizing whom: the SOD organizers or him within the WT community. There is no truth in this matter, and there will not be. Although, not quite, there are always two truths, and each person has their own.
But regarding the dispute about the CIS version (I wrote my opinion above), it's funny to read the argument from people who, in principle, do not plan to attend the session. What's your business? You should just walk away.
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A very interesting topic-debate; I recently joined HeroesWorld, meaning I'm not a veteran or even an armchair expert). But after browsing the thread and reading the forum, I learned a lot that was new to me. However, I want to say the following: The mice cried and struggled, but they kept on eating the cactus.
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3. Integration of mirrored templates into the game.

The mirror has long been integrated into the game – there is no need to unpack anything, etc. Just check the box in the template list in the chat, and you're good to go.
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7. I don't know about the Inferno patch; does it need to be installed by adding DLLs and text files, or is it already present in the game?

It depends on what you mean by the Inferno patch. At one time, the Inferno patch included changes such as Fiona starting with a specific tactic and Ignatus having defense instead of resistance. This is no longer the case. What remains of the Inferno patch: native land in the dungeon and splash mage does not affect Inferno troops.

These changes are already integrated into the game and do not require checking the box for the Inferno patch in the VT options.
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Moreover, I saw a game by Alex where, at the beginning of the game between Moandar (with advanced training from the start) and Moner, he chose Moner.
Well, if Alex himself chose it, there's no argument. It's Alex himself. There's no need to comment further.

In that situation, it's obvious that Moner is the better choice because the game is fast-paced, he has logistics and attack, good penetration, and a good movement range. (And Moner himself levels up in attack more). And the hero will gain experience anyway.
(And if you're playing on the Conflux map and have a bonus for psions, and considering that they can be upgraded and tear everything apart).

But yes.
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Normal percentage.
forgetting about him when the hero reaches level 21 is even "more normal".
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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This is precisely why I never played VT:
- When I visited the VT website, I couldn't understand anything at all. Yes, I'm lazy, and sometimes it's easier for me to click the red cross than to spend hours figuring out a bunch of symbols, but that doesn't change the fact that there's absolutely NOTHING written there about the differences from SoD. There are footnotes about changes in new patches, but that means nothing to me personally.
- I have no idea how to install it, and there's nothing about it on the website either. There's a link to a 20MB VT version. Where should I put it? On Heroes? What will happen to my SoD version in that case? Will I be able to switch between versions, or will I need to install a new Heroes for SoD afterward? I have no desire to test and check all of this, especially considering the opinions of many respected Heroes players about VT.
- Where can I find out what a GM overhaul is, how auctions work, what VT under SoD, full FT, etc. are? Maybe it's somewhere on the website, but it's probably classified and locked in a safe, and the key to the safe is with the keeper of traditions, who no one has ever seen.
- If there were information, there would be interest, especially since VT is supposedly so great. But since there's no information, people will watch Eurovision instead of opera.

The whole point doesn't even relate to the topic, VT or SoD; it's just the perspective of a "new school" player, and I think there will be others like me.


If there's no desire to try something new, no amount of text or descriptions of advantages will entice the player.
I'll say that for a long time, I didn't want to try VT because I had it in my head that VT was the same as TE, which I couldn't stand. But I tried it once or twice and got hooked on VT. And the Tournament should definitely be held on the version that most participants play.
In general, it's all about the desire, gentlemen Heroes players, the desire...
С истиной где-то рядом...





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If there's no desire to try something new, no amount of text or listing advantages will entice the player.
I'll say that for a long time, I didn't want to try Heroes of Might and Magic VII, because I had it in my head that it was like Heroes of Might and Magic V, which I couldn't stand. But I tried it once, twice, and got hooked. And the tournament should definitely be held on the version that most participants play.
In general, if there was a desire, dear Heroes players, a desire...
Desire might exist, but... Just for fun, create a clone and don't tell anyone that you're Pasha Dubrovin, and observe from the sidelines.
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I was crying... :smile39:
I reread my post and didn't see any contradictions. What's wrong?
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In general, I'm for holding a tournament on Heroes of Might and Magic Online and putting an end to this circus. As they say, a skilled player should be able to play anywhere, but are you not up to the challenge?
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In short, I'm for holding the main tournament on HotE and ending this circus. As they say, a skilled player should be able to play anywhere, but are you incapable?

Holding the main portal tournament (or at least, that's how it's positioned) on a version that hasn't been thoroughly tested in online and real-life tournaments is, to say the least, a questionable decision.
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In short, I'm for a tournament on HotA and let's end this circus. As they say, a skilled player should be able to play anywhere, and are you not capable?
The same can be said to all the SOD players regarding WoT.
And yes, if you've learned the map, attack, and defense, why do you need anything else? You're already a pro.
P.S. I haven't played SOD since Armageddon's Blade, and I'm not interested anymore; it's a thing of the past.
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All of this is great, of course, but what relevance do those who won't be attending the tournament have to the discussion about the version?
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It's most amusing to read the comments from those who aren't going and never will go to the CIS region. Keep writing!
Update: Oh, the minds of thoughtful people are coming to the same conclusion. =)


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Holding the main tournament for the portal(s) (at least, that's how it's positioned) on a version that hasn't been thoroughly tested in online and offline tournaments... is, to say the least, a questionable decision.
I, on the other hand, am confident that there will be even fewer problems with Hota than with Sod. The guys there take a responsible approach to the tasks at hand. After all, the developers at HD and VT are essentially working alone, while Hota has a team. And as they say, two heads are better than one, and even more so when there are 2+.

But these are just words, of course, no one will hold a tournament of this level on an untested platform. But something tells me that the votes in the CIS 2015 will be divided approximately 60% Sod, 25% Hota, and 15% VT, but we'll see...
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It feels as if SoD players are simply afraid to face the TRUE fathers on their own turf. Although it has been proven many times that VT players have no problem winning tournaments in SoD. I can't seem to recall any instances of the opposite. - But this is just rambling.
Regarding glitches and bugs: I remember the HD mod for SoD wasn't made without them right away either. There were version conflicts, etc. Yes, I agree, a more stable version of VT would be desirable. I'm even ready to suggest that everyone provide financial support to the developers.
Gentlemen, we are talking about a tournament version of the game - not against the computer. Aren't you tired of relying on imbo luck? Precisely the presence of three stacks at the start, the lack of morale for neutrals, and the restructuring of magic - that is what makes the game more skill-dependent rather than luck-based. If simultaneous turns were refined, games would be reduced in time by 1.5-2 times. Yes, Bronh's imbo status has been discussed many times already. In return, I can remind you of the same imbo status of logisticians in SoD. And how many games were thrown (given roughly equal skill levels between players) due to a lack of control in the Mage Guild - after that, more than once I came to the conclusion that the time spent on the match was wasted; one might as well have rolled dice to determine the winner based on whether control was granted in the Mage Guild or not. Even at this moment, VT still seems preferable. It's simply more interesting. As for those who love to carry by luck - no one is stopping them from playing - please, go into treasure zones: take Pandoras, collect relics - this was, is, and will be a part of both VT and SoD.

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