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Offline Ment
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I heard Satyr's point of view. Basically, a person doesn't understand that they are alive right now thanks to someone, that they are actually ALIVE, and not serving, leading a miserable existence, or even being a slave... so, I can only ask, who else thinks the same way?
Still, I will say this. Stalin did everything possible on his part to ensure that we wouldn't live at all, that we wouldn't even exist, let alone be under someone's control. All that remains is to admire the brave, strong, and resourceful Soviet soldiers who, despite the well-organized Nazi Germany and their own unique and idiotic supreme commander, managed to win this terrible war and earn our existence and life with their sweat and blood. That's the way it is.
 

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Can any of his achievements justify the actions of an executioner and bloodthirsty murderer who destroyed millions of citizens of his country?
When he was the leader, he wasn't considered alive! The fact that the regime was authoritarian, he didn't even deny it, unlike our current government.
And the fact that he won the war is a fact; under an authoritarian regime, the leader wins first and foremost!

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when he was the leader, no one considered him a good person! He didn't even deny that his regime was authoritarian, unlike our current government.
And the fact that he won the war is a fact; under an authoritarian regime, the leader wins first and foremost!
What does "won the war" mean in your understanding?
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no one considered him alive

Who didn't consider him alive? Millions of people died because of him. They couldn't consider anything anymore. In any case, no point of view negates all his monstrous crimes.
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Who hasn't counted? Millions of people died because of him. They couldn't count anything anymore. In any case, no point of view negates all his monstrous crimes.

Well, it's hard to say. It was just a different time, and even Hitler did the same thing with his people, starting a war. Perhaps only the English and Americans can be considered good.
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Hitler, with his people, did the same thing.

Yes, but somehow Hitler is a monster and a murderer, while Stalin is a great leader who raised the country. Strange, isn't it?
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Who hasn't counted? Millions of people died because of him. They couldn't count anything anymore. In any case, no point of view negates all his monstrous crimes.

And did you personally count all those millions? Or did some old woman at the market (on YouTube) tell you? (c) :D How many of them were criminals, how many were traitors, and how many were truly innocent victims? And how many are still in prisons now, I wonder? I'm just saying that nowadays there are a lot of different, obscure sources, and who to believe is everyone's personal right. I'll just say that historians themselves can't agree on anything. It's easier with today's situation; everyone can assess the personalities of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin, and the rest for themselves.


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I’ll just say that the historians themselves can’t agree on anything.

Yes, indeed, no one can be trusted. Maybe Stalin and Hitler never existed at all? And there was no war, but what the old people tell is just a mass hallucination? There’s nothing you can prove here. Isn’t this a reason to get rid of these Lenin and Dzhugashvili monuments, since we’re not sure about their existence?))))
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Well... there have already been opinions expressed here that the USSR didn't win the war, that Stalin actually wanted to exterminate everyone, and that the subsequent occupation of Ukraine happened because of that. So maybe you're right...


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people hated him so much that running from the battlefield wasn't an option; it was the fear of this man that prevented many from retreating, a fear greater than death itself.

What a load of crap! It wasn't his name they feared, but the special forces units standing behind him, ready to shoot their OWN people. If they tried to flee the battlefield. Don't make such ridiculous statements. Or finish your thought.
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Tell me, I'm not aware of any, maybe at least one of them fought for their country?
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It's easier to form an opinion about today's situation; everyone can assess the personalities of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin, and the rest on their own.

Thanks to reliable, truthful, honest, and trustworthy media, we can evaluate everything – from the Maidan to opinions about any country or any politician.

And there wasn't a famine in 1933, right? They just dispossessed the kulaks.
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Tell me, I'm not aware, maybe at least one of them actually fought for their country?

You must be mistaken :D Ikthyandr, confess, did you share this information with the Leader?) So that it would be more difficult for me to answer all of you one by one :D :D
It's okay, I'll accumulate and refute this kind of nonsense all at once until I lose interest))))


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It's okay, I'll keep accumulating and refuting this nonsense in bulk until I lose interest.

Oh, well, if fasting is "nonsense" to you, then don't accumulate it, don't bother, don't ruin your mood. And refutations aren't necessary either; when I want to hear them, I'll just turn on Russian news.
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It’s strange that no one living in Ukraine has recognized Stalin as a messiah here on the forum yet. Strange. After all, everyone knows that he... "here Cobra chimes in and spouts his red nonsense"... and we don't understand this, and we're even tearing down monuments to dictators that they put up themselves. It's a wonder.
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