Posts from [МАТЧ] AlexTheGreat vs Gomunguls

Many people wonder – who is better? King Kong or Godzilla? Optimus Prime or Megatron? Kalashnikov or M-16? Titan or Dragon? It's time to find out in a head-to-head match:smile10: ... and so, we welcome: In the red corner of the ring – Alex ... The ... Greeeeeeeeeeeat :smile24:, World Champion, CIS Champion, St. Petersburg Champion, Lizard's apartment vice-champion :smile49: ... (the truck with awards is still on its way). Equipment – forged German boots (the terror of the VT chat), gloves from AvtoVAZ (they are started with dirty curses), the hat of the Elusive Joe (certified many times), an alcoholic t-shirt, and an Eagle Eye pendant. In the blue corner of the ring – Gomunguls, just Gomunguls :smile28: The match conditions are in the process of being agreed upon, approximate outlines: 1) Match to 3 (4?/5?) wins, excluding draws. 2) Templates – 8mm6a and Jebus Cross (alternating). 3) Games take place on weekdays from 11-12 and until 19 (Alex cannot play in the evenings and on weekends). Perhaps some games will be played during the New Year holidays (if we manage to agree on the regulations and raise the prize fund). 4) Games are streamed from both sides. 5) Participants contribute 3000 rubles each to the prize fund (Gomunguls cannot offer more), but since Alex is not willing to play for that amount, sponsors or backers are needed. For example, I am personally ready to sponsor the match for 1000 rubles. You can also back Gomunguls – participate in his betting, receiving a profit in case of his victory. The match will depend on the amount collected. Actually, organizational issues: 1) We need a person who can collect contributions from participants and sponsors, and after the match, distribute them among the participants (depending on the chosen scheme of division). 2) We need commentators for the streams. 3) How to organize protection against cheating? A radical option is to play in the presence of seconds. I don't know if the participants are ready for this and if there will be seconds who can be present at the games from start to finish. If they are not ready, then in addition to password-protected saves, it is also necessary to somehow block the streams from external viewing so that participants do not have the opportunity to watch them on a neighboring computer. 4) Game schedule and disciplinary regulations – lateness, no-shows, leaving the game, etc. Plus, hints from viewers. 5) The issue of judging – at least 3 judges are needed to resolve controversial situations (they may arise). UPDATE I am a little surprised by the public reaction. This is not a mockery or idol worship, and not even an attempt to scam someone for money. Rather, the opposite. Currently, Heroes is at approximately the same level as chess was in the mid-19th century – there were many tournaments, many good players, but there was no special hierarchy between them, the strength of the players was assessed by the chess community approximately – based on the results of tournaments, the quality of the game, chess articles. The peculiarity of both chess and Heroes is that it is difficult to assess the strength of a player remotely – tournaments rarely involve all the strongest players, and if they do, they either compete in tail-biting (if it's a round-robin tournament) or play against each other in 1-2 games (if it's a knockout tournament), which are not always indicative. All this led to a large number of arguments, attempts to gain authority not so much through tournament results as through words, articles, and interviews (familiar, right?). Therefore, by the 1960s, the idea arose to identify the champion through a match between the strongest players – to play 1 on 1 a long series of games, minimizing the randomness of the result. The tradition turned out to be so successful that it has been maintained for the last 150 years with minor interruptions. Currently, in Heroes, Alex is unofficially considered the best player – based on the totality of results, the quality of the game, and so on. IMHO, this is quite justified. And that is why such matches are needed – so that players who feel they have the strength can try to take the title from the current champion in a direct confrontation. Now regarding the money – it is logical that the current champion has no sporting ambitions for the match; he has already proven everything to everyone. Therefore, the only motivation to play can be monetary motivation, for which the opponent must provide a prize fund for the tournament – himself or through sponsors. All world chess champions adhered to this position until the creation of FIDE. If you want the champion to risk the title, risk the money. Since Gomunguls does not have the financial resources for a prize fund that would satisfy the champion, I suggest either sponsoring or backing the contender. If the idea works out, then in the future, such matches can be held regularly – this will benefit both the Heroes community and the players' skills.

but since Alex isn't willing to play for that amount

could you tell me the amount Alex is willing to play for?

We need commentators for the streams.

if there's a stream from both of them, I'd be happy to comment, I don't think Vitaly will object and will provide the stream, what about Alex?

Personally, I'm willing to contribute 1000 rubles to the prize pool.

I'm personally willing to contribute N rubles as well, but not for Alex's participation in the match (I think that's ridiculous), but for Gomunculus, according to the scheme proposed by Sticky. The question again is, how much is Alex offering from his side...?

Depending on the amount collected, it will be decided whether the match will take place or not.

and if it doesn't, all the collected funds will go to Alex, as compensation for the trouble, as I understand it :)

So, did Alex suddenly develop the gift of unintelligible speech? And now Wicc speaks for him? :D

So, has Gomungulus suddenly acquired the gift of unintelligible speech? And now Wicc speaks for him?

A radical option would be to play with seconds present. I don't know if the participants are ready for this, or if there are seconds who can be present at the games from start to finish.

There's one second in St. Petersburg who often visits Alex: D :D :D And there's also one very well-known player in Volzhsky, he's banned, but he needs no introduction :D

the main task is to raise the necessary amount of money to participate in the championship (continuing the boxing theme), because I understand Alex, playing in this format for 10, or even 5-7 games for 3000 rubles is simply not serious!! And nothing and no one can be proven with such an amount! But if Gomunguls offered an adequate amount from his side, it would be interesting, especially since the entire amount does not necessarily have to go to the winner of the match: there is a possibility that 30% goes to the winner, and the remaining fund is divided in proportion to wins/losses.

After this issue is resolved, all other issues can be addressed - for example, setting up a bookmaker, I think many would be interested in betting on their player.

Cobra speculator :D :D :D

the main task is to collect the necessary amount of money to participate in the championship (almost like in boxing), because I understand Alex, playing in such a format, 10, or even 5-7 games for 3000 rubles is just not serious!! And nothing and no one can be proven with such an amount!

+1. After all, for such a high-profile match, there should be some responsibility. Otherwise, making easy money from viewers is, of course, a good thing, but that's not what we gathered for.

And in general. How can you suggest playing with broadcasts when there is so much distrust towards Alex? :confused: These issues need to be resolved within the club.

huge fans and huge piles are being prepared to water the forum :D
we're waiting...

Can we find out the amount Alex is willing to bet?

I think this is a matter of negotiation.

If both sides are willing, I'll gladly comment. I don't think Vitaly will object and will provide a stream. What about Alex?

Streams from both sides are a must; otherwise, what's the point?

But not for Alex's participation in the match (in my opinion, that's nonsense).

Don't confuse things – this isn't about paying Alex for participating; it's the prize pool that goes to the winner.

Personally, I'm also willing to contribute N amount of rubles for Gomunculus, according to the scheme proposed by Sticky. The question is, how much is Alex offering from his side...?

This should be discussed with the participants. That is, there are two possible options for the contribution:

1) Simply a contribution to the prize pool, which goes to the winner; I intend to do exactly that.

2) Backing – an individual bet with one of the match participants; the money goes either to this match participant (in case of his victory) or to the backer (in case of this participant's defeat).

And if there isn't, all the collected funds will go to Alex, as compensation for the trouble, as I understand it :)

The match will only start when the financial terms are agreed upon; no money will be moved before that.

Yes, Wicc certainly exaggerated things. There was a complete lack of interest on one side, and a rather weak response on the other. And, in general, Alex has absolutely no desire to prove anything to anyone. Actually, if we put aside the drama, I think the odds are about 40 to 60 against Gomunguls. This is if they play fairly and online. At Alex's place, his chances increase, I think by about 10%, because he's in familiar territory, while Vitaly is nervous. The club is immediately ruled out for these and other objective reasons. The real question is how to ensure a 100% fair match when playing against trans players online. No matter how you look at it, you need a referee. Who can we put in that role, someone who can sit through all the games fairly and who everyone absolutely trusts, and who also lives nearby? Besides Wicc, I don't have any real candidates (well, maybe Pete, but he's unlikely to be interested). The others are either friends with Alex in one way or another, or they're not interested/don't inspire public trust. And, of course, the same goes for Vitaly's side. In my opinion, this is the main sticking point, not the amount of money involved in the game. And it's a bit unpleasant to see this idol worship. No offense.

I wonder, what made them decide to hold a match all of a sudden?

I wonder, what made you decide to hold a match?

Well, it's a long story. :) During the preparation, let's just say, more than one honest forum user suffered. :D

The backstory is here: /topic/6796/ (the last 3 posts and onwards)

Well, it's a long story. :) During the, shall we say, preparation, more than one honest forum user fell victim. :D

We decided to organize a match; otherwise, the losses wouldn't stop! =)

The other question is how to ensure a 100% fair match when playing against trans players online? No matter how you look at it, you need a referee. Who should we appoint so that they can oversee all the games fairly and everyone absolutely trusts them, and who also lives nearby? Besides Wicc, I don't have any real candidates (well, maybe Pete, but he's unlikely to be interested). The others are either friends with Alex in one way or another, or they are uninterested/don't inspire public trust. And, of course, the same goes for Vitaly's side.

In St. Petersburg, besides Vik, there are also Horn, the most honest Bayazet, the evil romantic, Dubrovin Pasha, and a whole bunch of other people. But I don't know who lives in Volzhsky besides VLK. So, we either need a stream with a delay or set passwords for the broadcast.
You can set up a couple of computers facing each other not only in a club but also in any other convenient place, for example, in Minsk-2014