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In my opinion, many people are tired of the lawlessness of those in power, namely: officials, courts, corrupt police, and other corrupt officials. They are simply tired. But not everyone, and not to a fatal extent. For now...
I communicate with many people, and for some reason, they almost exclusively talk about the lawlessness of those in power in relation to some distant people, saying something like, "I heard that." There are relatively few people who have personally suffered from this lawlessness (and not from their own stupidity or an unfortunate accident). That is, they exist, but there are few of them. For example, when it comes to corruption, if you ask anyone, they will say that it exists; the more intelligent ones will mention Transneft or Sobyanin's subsidiary. But if you ask them to provide an example from their own experience or at least from second-hand sources, they will pause and not mention anything. That is, this is largely "media" corruption, the result of an escalation of hysteria in the media on this issue. In reality, less is stolen and abused than in the early to mid-2000s, and much less than in the 1990s (as a percentage of turnover). For example, if you ask for examples of the lawlessness of those in power in the 1990s, most people over 30 will still remember many episodes, both personal and involving acquaintances. Or take the theft of budget funds. Putin recently said that about 10% is stolen. The opposition cites figures slightly higher, around 20-25%. The truth is most likely somewhere in between. Let's say 15%. I don't have exact figures for how much was stolen in the 1990s, but it was clearly more; they didn't really hide it back then. Those same IMF loans were almost completely embezzled. It's just that there wasn't a media agenda back then, so it wasn't widely reported. A similar media agenda existed earlier regarding the army, hence all these high-profile campaigns about hazing, the sensationalization of individual tragic episodes (which have always been and will always be, there are many idiots), and presenting them as a trend. But if you sit down and calculate, for example, the number of deaths per year per 1,000 people among men aged 18-20 in civilian life and in the army, you will find that civilian life has a much larger number. That is, on average, it is statistically safer for a young man to be in the army. Or, for example, civil aviation is one of the safest modes of transport (only railways are safer), but if desired, it is easy to create media hysteria and irrational fears among the population. It's just that no one really needs it right now, so they don't escalate it or escalate it slightly, as part of the general chaos. What people are actually dissatisfied with on their own, and not under the influence of the media, is the national question. Therefore, this card is being played very cautiously and gradually. But what they write about the lawlessness of those in power today, they write something else tomorrow, and the day after tomorrow they don't write anything at all. This is a sure sign of a media bubble.
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What does ignorance have to do with it? The point is to choose the right source and get accurate and, most importantly, useful information. Instead of filling your head with nonsense, whether it comes from the TV or from "Pravda."

And what do the TV and "Pravda" have to do with it? They are completely controlled by the Kremlin and used for state propaganda. If I provide links, it's not to propaganda sources, but to free sources, preferably official ones. Novaya Gazeta, for example, is almost the only independent newspaper in Russia (among the large-circulation ones). If you can't trust it, then you can't trust any newspaper at all.

Don't you find it strange that Wicc, with all his intelligence, is spreading the very "nonsense" that is being pushed on TV? I do.
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For example, Novaya Gazeta is almost the only independent newspaper in Russia (among those with large print runs). If you can't trust it, you can't trust any newspaper at all.
There are no truly independent major media outlets in principle. And there can't be. It's like having an independent tank company on the territory of a state.
Don't you find it strange that Wicc, despite his considerable intelligence, is spreading the same "nonsense" that is being peddled on television? I do.
If what I say was being told and shown on television in the years leading up to the swamp unrest, it wouldn't have happened.

This is essentially one of my grievances with Putin – he didn't pay enough attention to educational work with the masses. And then, as with the army, if you don't take care of it, someone else will. And the result will be a crowd of media-war-addled guys like Ihti.
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And in Taiwan, they very well understand what is happening with us.
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The "Liberty" monument, Philadelphia.

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Satir, in the text above, called the Maidan an undoubtedly positive event, which immediately revealed his level of intellectual development.
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The people are dissatisfied with the government, so they are restless. Where does this negative attitude towards an overall positive event come from?
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But at least he had the sense not to develop the discussion – either he realized he had said something stupid, or he realized he was risking damaging his reputation. And that's right.
Firstly, there was no discussion. I asked a question, you ignored it, and then Ikhtiandr jumped in, and you had a tedious conversation about Putin and the collapse of the USSR, which I'm not interested in.
Secondly, I don't see the point in arguing with someone who, in a lecturing tone, presents their personal opinion as an absolute truth.

P.S. Thanks for the diagnosis :D
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I communicate with many people, and for some reason, they talk about the abuse of power almost exclusively in relation to some distant people, saying, "I heard that."

But I am unhappy that it is impossible to get through to state institutions by the indicated phone numbers (even to the tax office) - either they don't answer, or the line is busy, and that cars are not removed from the sidewalks by tow trucks, and they are not fined! How long will this continue?!!
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"Red, like a flag, black soot.
In ancient ruins, trains torn to shreds.
Under the feet of passersby - canvases from the Hermitage.
The conductor is completely deaf -
Harvest Festival in the Palace of Labor."

Aquarium - Harvest Festival in the Palace of Labor
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Ugh, I barely managed to finish it yesterday before dawn, but I didn't have the energy to respond. I'm writing this specifically for the forum, even though I'm feeling lazy, because I really appreciate his way of thinking. But no matter how much we filter out the garbage from our media (including online sources), the negativity still seeps through the defenses of common sense. It's strange that no one from Kyiv has tried to break down the situation, but they've only focused on superficial aspects. So, according to eyewitnesses and participants: indeed, someone in power tried to implement a very aggressive scenario, a kind of "Putin-style" intimidation tactic. The flaw in the script was that the more primitive the mind, the more likely it is to judge others based on itself (it's quite obvious that the garbage that rises to the top has a primitive mind). In other words, when they planned to harshly suppress the regular Euromaidan (where students might have been hanging out for the infamous sausage and bread), they assumed that the people would be as cowardly as they themselves were. And after the exemplary demonstration on state TV channels, showing how the brutal Berkut chased people down alleys and beat them almost to death, without even bothering to distinguish between student protesters and random passersby, the reaction of the masses was not that of a cowardly mob, but a very human reaction. Yanukovych was already unpopular, but THIS, in its blatant display on state media, was simply intolerable, and the people's reaction was absolutely RIGHT, and, sorry, Yuri, but GOOD – in the sense that it was as close as possible to human ideals! As a result, we have a phenomenon called the Hromada. Now, about the goals – the Hromada opposition believes about as much as the authorities do – that is, people understand that there is garbage on both sides, only the authorities are overfed and arrogant, while the opposition is hungry for money and populist. However, in these conditions, if anything can rise to the top in the political mess, it is precisely worthy individuals who, in a different situation, would not have gotten involved in politics, but now someone needs to formalize the results politically, and the Hromada has had enough of the established opposition. The main political result of the events seems to be a shift from a presidential system to a parliamentary system + a redistribution of power with local self-government and re-elections of all these bodies. Given the current mood, there is a huge chance that, as a result of the re-elections, with the demonstrated attitude of the masses, a very large percentage of worthy representatives will get into the authorities, but at the very least, the people will actively reject the puppets. So, tell me, Yuri, are re-elections a "barn-breaking" event? And finally, there are quite a few provocateurs mixed in with the Hromada, yes – Yanukovych desperately needs leverage to support that part of the population that, in his opinion, is still deluded – support for a forceful solution, and he can't imagine anything else. But the Hromada perfectly understands all this, and attempts at provocations are being nipped in the bud... although you can't stop a bulldozer, but it is still more beneficial to the authorities, which is obvious. Nevertheless, even the provocations that have taken place have not given Yanukovych free rein – he's afraid, because he is a coward, and he has plenty to be afraid of. So, we need to realize that the events are not being controlled by the opposition, but by the will of the people – initially spontaneous, but now taking shape in a transformation and cleansing of power. What this will lead to, we will see. The authorities are now cowering and hiding, waiting for the fervor to subside. But the mood and atmosphere that prevail in the Hromada should not allow the will for better to fade away – yes, Yuri, that's exactly the word! :)
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best -- yes, Yura, that's exactly the word! :)
We won't be able to do that – let's continue the discussion in ICQ or in a private message.
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[off]Lider1, probably, if your wife brings home a "little black kid," you won't notice that his origin isn't quite as "authentic" either... what difference does it make, as long as there is something;)[/off]
[off]Adagio, some people simply have no sacred things – they would gladly read the continuation of their favorite Lord of the Rings, written by Akunin, or listen to a new album of a %cult_disbanded_band% with Bilan as the lead singer.[/off]
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[off]Lider1, maybe if your wife brings home a little black kid, you won't notice that his origins aren't quite as "authentic"... what difference does it make, as long as there is one;)[/off]

don't talk nonsense.
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За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Strikes and revolutions are all well and good. Our city has seen at least three of them. But what to do with the people, the part of the business community, who don't want to be with the West but want to stay connected to their historical roots – with Russia? How many such people are there? They say it's at least half the population? How do we take their opinion into account?


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http://cs322618.vk.me/v322618881/6782/dCNZuGFxXjU.jpg

Now, everyone is an expert online. Not just twice as many.
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За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того