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Are you planning to attend this event?
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Yes, I will definitely come.
16.3% 13 votes
I will try, but I cannot give an exact answer right now.
22.5% 18 votes
I’ll decide closer to January (I’ll make up my mind at the last moment)
20% 16 votes
I definitely won’t be able to go.
41.3% 33 votes
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12 years ago
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Nagan-4
1. The rules have been updated, so it would be good to either write them in the first post or provide a link where they can be read.
2. Maps. People may come from different Heroes communities and even different eras of Heroes, so it would be good to list 5-7 popular maps so that players can choose 3-4 suitable ones when selecting a map.

Today I will make a proposal regarding templates and the timer.

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Is anyone from St. Petersburg going? How much are the tickets? Alex checked, and the plane tickets are around 13k.

I just checked the flight from St. Petersburg to Kyiv from January 3-7:
with 1 transfer ~ $270
direct flight ~ $470
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12 years ago
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Is anyone from St. Petersburg planning to go? How much are the tickets? Alex checked, and they're around 13k for a plane ticket.
The answer is already in your question: :rolleyes:
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http://www.domik.net/nedvizhimost/kiev-sdam-dom-posutochno-sadovaya-ul-id817580.html

I looked at the options. This is one of the few adequate offers for a large group of people, considering the cottages. 9 rooms (possibly not 1 room in 2-room apartments). I think there will be about 30 sleeping places here. Large area. Yes, the price is a bit different. The options for cottages at 2000 UAH usually have 10 sleeping places – and the rest sleep on folding beds, or something like that.
The price for this one is around 200 UAH / 800 rubles per person. Approximately, that's how much I pay for a one-bedroom apartment with my wife when we go there – it comes out to 200 UAH each. Plus, this place can accommodate a practically unlimited number of guests if someone from Kyiv comes or someone comes for a day or two to hang out – they can even sleep in the living room, since there are 400 square meters of living space.

I mean, either we look for something like this, or it should be a recreation center. Smaller cottages, in my opinion, are a hassle – you end up sleeping in the corridors or on chairs.

P.S.: Let's decide at the beginning of December. If I come, it will be Papik + 1
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12 years ago
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Within a budget of 1000 rubles per person per day, this is reasonable. Besides, there are entertainment options here, like tennis and billiards. You could even organize a winter football game. There are also plasma screens for streaming. All that remains is to figure out the food for that many people, and we're good to go.
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12 years ago
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second option
mini-hotels like this one
http://staryikiev.com/rooms/44/
pros - separate rooms. prices are lower.
cons - free billiards probably won't be available) and you need to inquire about the large hall for gatherings.
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12 years ago
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I looked at the options. This is one of the few adequate options for a large group of people when it comes to cottages. It has 9 rooms (possibly not 1 room with 2 beds). I think there will be about 30 sleeping places. It has a large area. Of course, the price is a bit different. The price for cottages with 2000 UAH is usually for 10 sleeping places – the rest have to sleep on folding beds, or something like that.
The price for this one is about 200 UAH / 800 rubles per person. Approximately, that's how much I pay for a one-bedroom apartment with my wife when we go there – it comes out to 200 UAH each. Plus, this place can accommodate a practically unlimited number of guests if someone from Kyiv or someone who comes for a day or two wants to visit – they can even sleep in the living room, since there are 400 square meters of living space.

I mean, either we look for something like this, or it should be a recreation center. Smaller cottages, in my opinion, are a hassle – you have to sleep in the corridors or on chairs.

P.S.: We'll decide at the beginning of December. If I come, it will be Papik + 1.

This option is good when there are definitely at least 30 people. For now, I don't see that kind of activity. This may change by the beginning of December, when many people decide whether or not to come. Now I will look for different options for places, and we will gradually decide. But yes, the option of 200-250 UAH per day per person is being considered. The main thing is to understand the real number of participants and, based on this, we will choose the optimal option :smile12:
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12 years ago
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This option works well when you can definitely gather at least 30 people. For now, I don't see such activity. This may change by the beginning of December when many decide whether to come or not. Now I will be looking at various options for venues, and we will gradually decide. But yes, the option of 200-250 UAH per day per person is being considered. The main thing is to understand the real number of participants and, based on this, we will choose the optimal option :smile12:
The experience of CIS championships shows that the real number of participants becomes known on the first or second day of the tournament. Therefore, it is better to choose a base so that you can get as many beds as are actually needed on the spot. Booking anything in advance carries the risk that there will not be enough places or you will have to pay extra.

The "heroic" crowd is very undisciplined... and the closer to the venue, the more undisciplined they are. Even those 10 people on the first page - at best, 7-8 of them will come.
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Experience from past CIS championships shows that the actual number of participants becomes clear on the first or second day of the tournament. Therefore, it is better to choose a venue where you can arrange for as many beds as will actually be needed. Booking anything in advance carries the risk that there will either not be enough places or you will have to pay extra.

The players are very undisciplined... and the closer to the venue, the more undisciplined they become. Even of the 10 people shown on the first page, only 7-8 will actually show up.

I understand this and therefore will not assume that 88 people will come. In my estimation, there will be slightly more people than in Novosibirsk. There are no resort-style venues. A house is the optimal option in this situation.

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I would like to raise the issue of map templates and time control (chess clock). My thoughts:

The main game version is Sod HD+ (the latest verified working version).
With mutual agreement, you can play on the specified templates and with the specified time control.

I propose a selection of 5 templates and time control:
1. 2sm4d(3) - 8+4+1 (maybe 10+6+1?)
2. M200 (a selection of 2cm2s, balance, skirmish) - 8+4+1
3. Diamond - 16+8+1
4. Jebus Cross - 16+8+1
5. 8mm6a - 16+8+1

What is your opinion?
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twaryna
I suggest a draft of 5 templates and control:
1. 2sm4d(3) - 8+4+1 (maybe 10+6+1?)
2. M200 (draft of 2sm2s, balance, skirmish) - 8+4+1
3. Diamond - 16+8+1
4. Jebus Cross - 16+8+1
5. 8mm6a - 16+8+1

What do you think?
Not a participant, but I'll note that XL+U on SoD is a significant risk of schedule disruption. There have been several precedents, and I remember them with dread.

Therefore, it's better to replace 8mm6a with something L-U/L+U. Obvious options are Mini-Nosta and Anarchy.

And on the sm-map, you really need +6 for a normal game, maybe 12+6+1?

And specify in the rules that latecomers must play M-200.
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Therefore, it's better to replace 8mm6a with something like L-U/L+U. Obvious options are Mini-Nosta and Anarchy.

against, even though I like Mini-Nosta.
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I suggest excluding 8mm6a. As practice shows, even a single allowed match on this template in Novosibirsk lasted about 13-15 hours without a break, and this is not even the worst case...
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I suggest excluding 8mm6a. As practice shows, even a single allowed match on this template in Novosibirsk lasted about 13-15 hours without a break, and this is not even the worst case...

This problem is solved by using a good chess timer. I saw this papal game with a timer of 4000+400 on full WTB ;)
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This problem is solved by a good шах.timer. I saw this papal game with a timer of 4000+400 on a full WT ;)
In Michurinsk, Alex and Napalm managed to stretch the game to 1.5 days on such a timer (and on WT!).

There's another problem here - on L+U templates, you can easily award or schedule a final stage on a late stage of the game, and its result will approximately correspond to the expected outcome of the remaining game. But this is not the case on XL+U; often, there are situations where one player can easily win the final stage, but will most likely lose the game.

And it's much easier to award L+U - by the 2nd month, almost the entire map is usually eaten, and any serious improvement is impossible, so it's not difficult to predict the outcome. But on XL+U, it is often impossible to predict the development of events - much depends on who runs where, who stumbles upon the missing item, etc.

Anyway, it's up to you, of course; I'm just giving free advice, which is inevitable like being discharged from the army - you can follow it immediately, or after a couple of long-lasting games.
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I'm against excluding 8mm6a, but I suggest playing it in Blind Tournament (under SOD rules) to avoid dragging it out.
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Ideally, play full-WT: Jebus 600+350 pick, trade for color and 8mm6a 600+600 full-random, change colors after rests.

I would like to compete in something like this:rolleyes: ... But skirmish is just... skirmish, the balance is... unbalanced, panic is... panic...

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