TOURNEY "Sea Battle" - rules and discussion — Tournament History online

alex_nv

10/26/2013 9:05 PM UTC

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So, what pairings are we making for the first round? I'm waiting for the head judge's decision...

" Дурак учится на своих ошибках, умный - на чужих, а мудрый старается их не совершать!
Пусть будет больше мудрецов и жить станет легче!!! "

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JonnyP

10/26/2013 9:21 PM UTC

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Ultimately, a system where everyone plays everyone else will be simpler for both judges and players. A flexible game schedule – playing 4 games in a month – is easier than playing 1 game each week. The main thing is to make a cut of the played games in a timely manner – for example, every 3 games: if you haven't played 3 games in 3 weeks, you get a penalty for your team. For the next cut, you will need 6 played games, and so on...
And it is important to avoid additional time for replaying games, so as not to prolong the tournament.

Or, as an alternative, cancel games between players with the same number of decks. (although this is questionable).

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Vip.rus

10/26/2013 9:31 PM UTC

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I also think that a flexible schedule and one game against each opponent would be easier. A week per game! In a month, at least 3 games, in 2 months - at least 7 games. Based on the results of 2 months, we can draw conclusions about activity and punish if necessary!
If anything, we can catch up during the New Year holidays!
And if someone is going on vacation, then, on the contrary, play in advance if possible!

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JonnyP

10/26/2013 9:38 PM UTC

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Vip.rus

I also think that a flexible schedule and one game with each opponent would be easier. A week per game! In a month, at least 3 games, in 2 months - at least 7 games. Based on the results of 2 months, we can draw conclusions about activity and punish if necessary!
If anything, you can catch up during the New Year holidays!
And if someone is going on vacation, then, on the contrary, play in advance if possible!

But summarizing the results every 2 months is definitely too much; there will be a lot of people who won't play, and then they'll try to catch up when the deadlines are approaching :)
On average, I think it's normal to take a snapshot of the played games every 3 weeks.
P.S.: By the way, I will probably miss the whole of January in terms of games, so I would still like a flexible schedule.

Y11

10/27/2013 12:10 AM UTC

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Gentlemen, 20 games is an incredibly large number; aim for a maximum of 12-15. I haven't read it thoroughly, but for now, it's just a mess.

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Adv

10/27/2013 6:28 AM UTC

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I haven't visited the forum in the last month; I've been swamped with work and house renovations, so I haven't had time for games. In the next two weeks, I'll either have time or none at all, so I'm asking the judges for a small extension on the games. A new mod has been released, so I guess we can start. To address any questions related to captaincy, I'll be online for most of the day today and am ready to participate. Regarding team composition, I think a draft is necessary, and I'm ready to provide my list to the judges.

"Да, человек смертен, но это было бы еще пол беды. Плохо то, что он иногда внезапно смертен, вот в чем фокус". БУЛГАКОВ М.А.

KillAndAction

10/27/2013 6:50 AM UTC

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alijvit withdrew from the tournament. AVTOLEDY is not participating and likely won't. Rakot is joining the tournament as a replacement for alijvit. We will play with 5 teams of 5 players each on version 6.6: - Each team plays against each other once, 1 game = 1 week + 3 days for completion; - The tournament runs from 10/27/2013 to 05/14/2014 (you can even participate in another tournament), with game deadlines on 02/04/2014 (9 games played), 04/25/2014 (17 games played), and 05/14/2014 (20 games played); a penalty of 2 points will be applied for each unplayed game. - We will remove players from the full list for each game. - Points will be awarded according to the system proposed by Theoretik. alex_nv, please update the team rosters based on the captains' draft requests and changes in tournament participants, and then publish the team rosters. I will handle the visualization of the tournament progress.

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Сервер в Discord
Стрим на twitch.tv
Стрим на GG

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Kolobokk

10/27/2013 7:03 AM UTC

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A lot of text and not much of a tournament))

Please provide information on where to get version 6.6 and what the differences are between it and version 6.4. Since a tournament has been announced, the instructions should also be readily available.

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Y11

10/27/2013 7:31 AM UTC

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KillAndAction

alijvit has withdrawn from the tournament.
AVTOLEDY is not participating and likely won't.
Rakot is joining the tournament as a replacement for alijvit.

We will play with 5 teams of 5 players each on version 6.6:
- Each team plays every other team once, with 1 game lasting 1 week + 3 days for make-up games;
- The tournament will run from October 27, 2013, to May 14, 2014 (allowing participation in other tournaments as well), with game milestones on February 4, 2014 (9 games played), April 25, 2014 (17 games played), and May 14, 2014 (20 games played); a penalty of 2 points will be applied for each unplayed game;
- We will cross out players from the full list for each game;
- Points will be awarded according to the system proposed by Theoretik.

alex_nv, please update the team rosters based on the captains' draft requests and changes in tournament participants, and then publish the team rosters.
I will handle the visualization of the tournament progress.

Kirill will have completed a third of the player assignments by May 14th. Please don't change the format more than once every three months.

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alex_nv

10/27/2013 7:42 AM UTC

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Y11

Kirill, before May 14th, will score against a third of the players. Please don't change the format for more than three months :(

I already wrote that it should be done round by round. I can post pairings for three rounds (12 matches), and then we'll see!!!

KillAndAction

alex_nv, please adjust the team rosters according to the captains' draft requests and changes in the tournament participants, and then publish the team rosters.

I ask the captains to provide me with draft requests in private messages (ICQ)!

1st tier (captains):
ekzekut, Will, dmitrik, sir_moz, Adv

2nd tier:
Bradiaga, Y11, DanielМ, ABKSever, Stefandmy

3rd tier:
Vip.rus, Kolobokk, kontr, G_L, JonnyP

4th tier:
BOLIVAR, аlex_nv, Boez, Leolopus, Элементаль Бога

5th tier:
Noom, KillAndAction, Yaughen, ElfElite, Rakot

To avoid any questions:
Adv (13:58:56 27/10/2013)
hello, what format should the lists be in?
alex_nv (14:02:19 27/10/2013)
By priority of choice from left to right within each tier. For example, Bradiaga, Y11, DanielМ, ABKSever, Stefandmy - this means that if Bradiaga is not chosen, then he is yours. If he is chosen, we look at Y11, etc. Whoever sends it faster has the advantage :)

The faster the requests are submitted, the faster the team rosters will be and, consequently, the tournament will start!

Kirill, you need to update the first page!!!

p.s.: The team names can be chosen by the captains themselves or from the suggested options: "Bloody Gold", "Ghosts", "Rebels", "Evil Fate", "Hackers"

p.p.s: The teams will be determined, and the draw for the first three rounds will be held approximately at 20:00 Moscow time!!!

" Дурак учится на своих ошибках, умный - на чужих, а мудрый старается их не совершать!
Пусть будет больше мудрецов и жить станет легче!!! "

Клан "ХРАНИТЕЛИ НЕБЕСНЫХ ВРАТ" Должность/Рейтинг: Мастер меча и магии/Арбалетчик

JonnyP

10/27/2013 7:45 AM UTC

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I calculated up to March 16th, not including the three days for catching up (in case of interruptions, they are not needed). And even then, it takes a long time. I think it's possible to play 20 games faster if there are opponents available – it just seems like a lot.

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Vip.rus

10/27/2013 8:14 AM UTC

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If it's not possible to have everyone play against everyone else, I think the tournament results won't be entirely accurate, because some will get lucky with their opponents, and others won't! Let the tournament last for at least six months! The last tournaments lasted about the same amount of time anyway. But, of course, we need to come up with an effective control system to prevent people from stalling. I suggest the following: at the end of each month, each player should have played at least 3 games. If they play fewer, they should be penalized 0.5 points for each unplayed game (2 points is a lot, considering the proposed scoring system). If a player warns in advance on the forum about their temporary absence, they shouldn't be penalized!

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KillAndAction

10/27/2013 9:12 AM UTC

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I've revised the tournament rules: take a look and let me know if anything is wrong; I won't be making changes during the tournament. What about the team names? Should we leave it up to the captains to decide, or should we come up with them ourselves?

Будьте осторожны со своими желаниями. Иногда они исполняются.
Сервер в Discord
Стрим на twitch.tv
Стрим на GG

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ABKSever

10/27/2013 9:30 AM UTC

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alex_nv

p.s.: I've only sent in my draft picks so far and already assembled my team :)

How is that possible? The draft implies that the player who gets the right to choose players first in the first round of the draft (in our case, in the first group of players) gets the last pick in the next round, and so on. According to this principle, the draft was supposed to work, so the teams can't be formed until all the captains have sent in their lists.
The idea that the person who sends in the list first gets the right to choose first in all rounds of the draft essentially eliminates the draft system itself.