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#92
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Oldboy
Wicc - just drop the idea that there should be only one champion.
Another one who isn't reading my posts carefully... I never claimed that there should be only one champion. I argued that the champion should win this title in a competition with the strongest possible lineup. Therefore, I am happy with the WT-only tournament format, as it has been for all these years. I am also generally happy with the SoD-only tournament format for the reasons stated on the first page. But I am not happy with the option of two parallel tournaments with a weaker lineup - this would be a mockery of the idea of a tournament of the strongest, and it wouldn't even be worth attending. If you want 2 tournaments, they should be held sequentially, not in parallel. And there can be 2 different champions in them - that's fine. There was a proposal from Nagan and Tvarina for a SoD champion in Kyiv, but it seems to have fallen through. This is why I came up with the idea of holding it in Minsk. That's why I proposed the option that I did, as it corresponds to my understanding of the importance of the title. Am I explaining myself clearly enough, or is someone else struggling to grasp the meaning of what I'm writing?
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Lizard B
2Kostya: The reasons why I suggested 2 brackets have already been described in detail, both here and on VT. Please, take a look if you're not too lazy). And please forgive the arguments against my scheme at the level of "in my opinion, there should be only one champion" - they don't seem very convincing.
Here are my arguments against:
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Wicc
I think the option with two parallel Tournaments is even less successful. Simply because in this case, the composition of both Tournaments will be significantly weakened.
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Lim4
The CIS Champion is simply much better than the champion of some version.

In general, I completely agree with:
Wicc
Therefore, I am happy with the option of a WT only Tournament, as it has been for all the years before.

Also, I am generally happy with the option of a SoD only Tournament for the reasons stated on the first page.
Let the version be any, but only one and as stable as possible, without glitches, bugs, and desynchronization.
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And what legitimacy will the winner of the SoD Tournament have, if half of the real contenders for victory do not participate in it? There will be none, in general...
But here is a controversial question. I think that, for example, KobRa, Stinger, PReDS, could theoretically participate in the SoD Tournament (it all depends on which version of VT will be offered at the time of the Tournament). Plus, if a few strong SoD players break through. And who will remain in the VT version?

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But holding such a Tournament with two brackets is a format that will allow everyone who wants (and can) to gather together for such a total gathering of Heroes players.
It will be possible to gather together with any version, because practice shows that those who come, the version is not important for them (with rare exceptions)
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I suggest waiting until New Year's and the release of the new version of the World Tree. Then the discussion will be more focused. That is, we come back to where we started.
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Lizard B
I suggest waiting until the New Year and the new version of VT is released. Then the conversation will be more focused. That is, we come to the point where we started.
Exactly. If there is a stable and complete version of VT, as free as possible from glitches and bugs, then we can safely hold a tournament without prior experience.
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Wicc
But I am not satisfied with the option of two parallel tournaments with a weakened lineup - it will be a profanation of the idea of a tournament for the strongest, which makes me not even want to come.

It is still not very clear how any of the strongest players, familiar with both Tournaments and SoD, could choose to play SoD?
Where would the "weakened lineup" of the Tournaments bracket come from?

Sorry if I missed it - has anyone already posted in this thread that they, playing both Tournaments and SoD, will choose to play SoD if there are two brackets, and why? :rolleyes:
Well sure, I haven't played for a couple of months almost - have such terrible bugs been crammed into Tournaments that SoD has already become more interesting from a competitive standpoint? Where is the fuss coming from anyway? Who specifically among the strongest Tournaments players plans to choose the SoD bracket and why exactly?
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Which of the strongest Warlords of the Third Testament specifically plans to choose the Shades of Darkness map and why?
I already explained – because the map offers more advantages... it's definitely easier to win a tournament by facing serious opponents with only one Pet than by having to fight through a wall of heroes like Alex, Stinger, Cobra, and Bayazet.
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Just in case - this is not a direct answer to my question.
Specifically, which of the strongest ВТ players plan to move to the SoD bracket and for what reason, if there will be two brackets?
It's just that if there isn't a single such person, then discussions about a "weakened roster" are pure theory. Even if only one is found - it's still pure theory, but at least I'd like to see who that one person is.
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I think you're just engaging in empty talk. This isn't the first time, by the way. Try to discuss things in a meaningful way, instead of just going back and forth with arguments, looking for minor flaws in the wording.
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Wick, you stated your opinion that someone will go for the "sweet meadow," and because of that, the idea of having two separate game modes is bad. I then asked again – is anyone specifically planning to do that? Because if no one is going to do it, or if only one person is going to do it, then I'm not the one engaging in pointless speculation (on this specific issue). What's the point of discussing a theoretical danger?
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#102
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Why is the default CIS version of the game suddenly forcing players to use the World Tree (WT) map? There has never been any question that the CIS version is played on a map other than WT, as voted by the players. Has the WT map become so buggy, or is something else influencing this?

Perhaps another vote for the map version should be held, preferably after testing the new WT update. If the results are truly 50/50, we should consider running two tournaments, one for WT and one for SoD HD.

P.S. Those who voted for a particular map should play on that map.
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#103
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Maybe keep both options, VT and SoD, with a pre-drafted regulation for both versions, and hold a vote in Minsk upon arrival, where the voting will be done specifically by those who intend to play this very championship?
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Katherine
Maybe we should keep both options, VT and SoD, with a pre-drafted set of rules for both versions, and hold a vote once in Minsk upon arrival, where the voting will be done specifically by those who intend to play this very championship?
yeah, and everyone else will just go home
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iDD
Yeah, and the rest will go home.
The others will have their rest and leisure provided by dad, I think they won't be bored. :D
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iDD
yeah, and the rest will go home
it's like, if someone wants to go, but the version is already chosen and it's not the one they want to play, then that person won't go.
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Katherine
you'd think that if someone wants to go, but the version is chosen in advance and it's not the one they'd like to play, then that someone won't go)
I think so too. Whoever wants to go will go anyway. If we say in advance that it will be SoD, I don't think Nagan and Scorp will actually rush to buy tickets :D