Posts from CIS-2014 in Minsk.

Making two brackets is a great idea. Another shout-out to Lizard.

Why even try to prove anything to each other when, essentially, the choice between WoL/SoD is a matter of taste. And as they say, there's no accounting for tastes.
The whole point is to come and relax/chat/drink in good company.
Everyone will play what they like more. Everyone believes what they want to believe. Everyone is happy. )

True, a bracket size of 16 people... might be too small..
I think if we put some thought into it, we could come up with a scheme to increase the number of participants in the main tournament without risking the schedule.
It's one thing to get knocked out online, but quite another to actually show up, fight it out, and even if you lose, do it face-to-face.

2Captain: 1. If my opinion didn't matter to anyone, Minsk probably wouldn't have been chosen to host the upcoming CIS tournament. 2. If VT died 3 years ago and Lizard is a weak player, it's clear that you're a bit behind on reality. I'd be happy to meet you in Minsk, treat you to some homemade moonshine, and play in the very first round - outside the draw. 3. The fact that there are debates shows that there are a number of people who care. And that's a positive thing.

Personally, my opinion is that VT died about three years ago.

What a blessing that Captain was born at the same time as the untimely demise of VT (three years ago)!

Lizard still hasn't answered what he intends to do with players who have the desire and opportunity to compete in both nominations. Therefore, I suggest the following option, which seems to solve the problems:

2 tournaments are held - one for VT, one for SoD. Players can participate in either one of them or both.

The VT tournament starts 3 days earlier. That is, the SoD tournament begins simultaneously with the 4th round of the VT tournament.

Players who reach the 4th round of the VT tournament receive a freewin in the 1st round of the SoD tournament, while others begin playing the 1st round.

Regarding the dates - May 1 2014 is a Thursday, meaning official holidays will likely be from the 1st to the 3rd (Sunday being a working day). Therefore, the optimal dates for own holding are from April 26 (Saturday) to May 3 (Saturday), which means that participating in both tournaments would require time off for 3 working days (28-29-30).

I checked the train schedule - there are daily night trains from St. Petersburg, Moscow, and Kyiv arriving around 9-10 AM, which, provided there are no logistical problems, will make it possible to play the first round on the day of arrival.

Regarding the number of players - for the VT tournament, it is preferable to have no more than 16 players so that the tournament is guaranteed to end in 4 rounds, without the ghosts of a 5th round as happened all previous times. Accordingly, in the SoD tournament, due to freewins (8 pcs.), we will have to aim for 5 rounds. In total, that makes 8 rounds (one combined). It seems possible to fit within the timeframe.

8 rounds, that's just ridiculous. Don't make people laugh, Yura. The idea of having different versions and two parallel tournaments is not a good one. There should be one champion, and their victory should be undeniable. IMHO.

My post seems to have disappeared, or maybe I forgot to press send?! :confused:
I'm in favor of parallel tournament brackets: for myself, I'd like to request a TE bracket (a TE-lite version would also be fine, it's not crucial); for Horn and Porizatel, if they can make it, a bracket with fixed matchups would be good, because otherwise it doesn't make sense: they arrive, play, but it doesn't count towards the tournament standings. And! For Dust and me, it would also be nice to have a bracket for second-place players, so that the winner of our pair goes straight to the finals!
P.S. I posted this on the VT forum, but let it stay here too.

8 rounds is just lol. Don't make people laugh, Yura. The whole idea with different versions and two parallel tournaments is unsuccessful. There should be one single, undisputed champion. IMHO

Did you read the text carefully?

The 8 rounds will be only for the organizers, while players can choose themselves — 4 rounds here or 5 rounds there or, if they have enough health, both here and there.

Whether it's a good idea or not depends on the players themselves — if enough people want to join the SoD tournament, then why not hold it?

Things are tough with single champions right now; this idea seems unattainable to me, so why bother?

8 rounds, that's just ridiculous. Don't make people laugh, Yura. ...

If you play Hypercube, you can fit 10.

2Vik: Playing in 2 nominations seems absurd to me. Coming to Minsk to play 8 (!!!) games of Heroes... I don't know. And frankly, I really don't want to organize a tournament that lasts so long. 6-7 days is necessary and sufficient.

2Kostya: The reasons why I suggested 2 brackets have already been described in detail, both here and on VT. Please look it up if you have the time. And please forgive me, but the arguments against my scheme at the level of "in my opinion, there should be only one champion" don't seem very convincing.

2Vik: Playing in two categories seems absurd to me. Coming to Minsk to play 8 (!!!) games of Heroes... I don't know. And frankly, I really don't want to organize a tournament that lasts so long. 6-7 days is necessary and sufficient.

2Kostya: The reasons why I proposed two brackets have already been described in detail, both here and on VT. Take a look if you're not too lazy. And please, forgive me, but the arguments against my scheme at the level of "in my opinion, there should be only one champion" don't seem very convincing.

Well, to me, the option with two parallel tournaments seems even less successful. Simply because in this case, the composition of both tournaments will be significantly weakened. It just so happens that the majority of participants in live tournaments play both VT and SoD well, so we'll have to somehow divide them into two brackets, supplementing them with enthusiasts of individual versions.

And what legitimacy will the winner of the SoD tournament have if half of the real contenders for victory don't participate? There will be none, really... so what's the point of such a tournament? And the VT roster might suffer too if some cunning Cobra decides to sign up for the SoD bracket because the prize is more attractive.

I agree that it will be more challenging in terms of time. That's why I'm only expressing this thought as a suggestion – to hear the opinions of the participants.

The scheme proposed by Lizard is quite reasonable.
As for those who want to play - they have the opportunity to decide on a specific bracket in advance.
Participating in both brackets means playing parallel games, which increases the tour time for both brackets.
Although, if each bracket fits into 4 tours, then it is quite possible.

Added after 8 minutes
As for an earlier start for the VT-bracket - imho, it would be better for SoD to start earlier instead, because there are far more restarts in SoD (and tours, accordingly, take up more time in real life).

As for an earlier start for the BT grid - imho, it would be better to start SoD earlier then, because there are far more restarts in SoD (and tournaments, accordingly, take up more time in real life).

That is exactly why BT needs to be put in the first shift, think about why yourself :)

Besides, what difference does it make to you, you'll be playing poker there instead of Heroes. And if you do play, then only in BT, so personally for you there will be no difference.

The position of those who want/can participate in both tournaments is what matters here.

What happened to my post, or did I forget to hit send?!:confused:
I'm for parallel tournament brackets: for myself, I request adding a TE bracket (TE-lite is fine, not critical); for Horn and Poritsatel, if they can make it, a bracket on fixes, otherwise it's not in order: they come, they play, but it doesn't count toward the tournament. Oh! For me and Dust, we'd also like a bracket for the second-place matches, and for the winner of our pair to go straight to the finalist!
P.S. turns out I was posting on the WT forum. Let it stay here too.

Well now, for once you're talking nonsense. If there are at least 10 people willing to play TE (or whatever else) — then we can discuss this topic. Without those willing participants — this is just plain spam.

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Wicc — just throw away the idea that there should be one champion. That's it. Nothing to talk about.
No matter who says WT is dead — that's just plain lies, bullsh*t, provocation, exaggeration.
It has its flaws, but in SoD, damn it, there are 100 times more of them. Don't want to open your eyes and count (read the WT Manual)? Well, tough.
In WT there is a community, it's alive, people play. And they play very well.
So it's simple. There is WT and there is SoD. The fact is that these spaces are currently incompatible.
Well, nobody has figured out how to combine them yet. That's exactly why Lizard's idea of two brackets is natural and good.
And those who can play both will have to choose. Or put on a simultaneous play session, playing in both brackets at once.

Simply, the CIS Champion is much better than a champion from some other version.

But what's the point? For Wargames Tournament (WT) players, the CIS champion will still be the champion according to the WT version, and not the Shades of Darkness (SoD) version. For SoD players, this CIS champion (in WT) will still be a "champion in some version." It's still the same. However, holding a tournament with two brackets is a format that will allow all those who want to (and can) to gather for such a total gathering of Heroes players.