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Offline OUGHT
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I can clearly show you the difference between flooding and a scandal. Do you want me to? Or will you just take my word for it?
From the point of view of your emotions, it may differ. But both serve the same purpose – distracting attention – and they both do it successfully.
Exactly. You have more data anyway. You've probably already figured out something useful.
Everyone has more data than in this table. By definition. That's why I divided the table into two.
And yes, it was quite possible to figure out something useful based on the publicly available data, as Tox's latest post showed. Only no one, not even me, came to that conclusion before. Although I suspected that he was a valuable player, because the probability of him being valuable was higher (the number of valuable roles divided by the number of possible roles).
You can't even imagine what's possible in our Mafia. For us, it's normal to eliminate half the city on the first day, and then dramatically overcome the Mafia at the last moment.
Judging by the games I've read, it's normal, but not particularly typical. I would estimate this probability at 30%.

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From the list of KILLERS, as we were so kindly and friendly called here, I would only try Rimp.
For people who execute in such a situation – without time pressure and with low information – I can't think of any other epithet, unfortunately.
Batman is a murderer no less than the Joker, for all the lives the Joker took that Batman could've saved by killing him.
Elizer Yudkovsky, "HP and the Methods of Rationality".
Мой ник транслитерируется по-разному, но я предпочитаю варианты Оот и Ооот.
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execute others before they execute you.

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By the way, fellow killers, why don't you want to execute Vistrit? He has an even higher inherent non-aggression rate than Tox – as much as fifty percent. According to your logic, you should vote for him immediately.
Batman is a murderer no less than the Joker, for all the lives the Joker took that Batman could've saved by killing him.
Elizer Yudkovsky, "HP and the Methods of Rationality".
Мой ник транслитерируется по-разному, но я предпочитаю варианты Оот и Ооот.
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From an emotional standpoint, it might be different. But both fulfill their role – distracting attention – successfully.
I asked you not to use the formal "you" :(
Possibly. I agree, it's not a very strong argument. For example, Arandor might clearly see that I'm an outsider, simply because he knows me better, while to you, I might behave very "mafia-like."
Everyone has more data than in this table. By definition. That's why I divided the table into two.
And there are four mafia members, so they have four times more data. However, they usually need to eliminate specific town roles, so you'll still have some work to do.
I would estimate this probability at 30%.
I'm amazed by your ability to assign numbers to everything. Seriously.
А, вот почему.

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You shouldn't blindly trust Arandor; remember that his inherent fanaticism is higher than all the other players.
I think he's peaceful. He just can't be a Warlock.
By the way, add something to the table about the advisor. Neither Gur, nor Vissi, nor you, nor I can be the advisor. Otherwise, the votes would be split equally.

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I suggest Gur.
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I have already voted against Wistrit.

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Okay, Vissy also looks like a decent option. Because, dragon.
Execute Vissy.
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Terrorist dragon.

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I can't think of any other adjective to describe people who execute someone in such a situation – without time pressure and with limited information. Unfortunately.
You have a poor vocabulary. I usually call such people drug addicts, crazy, or just swear at them, saying they have nothing better to do.
Actually, I should be asking stupid questions instead of complaining. And if you're a newbie, I advise you to stop bothering me and go look for real Mafia players.

Execute Vistrit.
Do whatever Ara says. He's useless anyway.
А, вот почему.

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But I asked you not to use the formal "you."
Hey, where? o_O I didn't notice.
If it doesn't bother you too much, I'd like to decline. I don't like addressing strangers with "you" (informal).
Maybe. I agree, it's not a very strong argument. For example, Arandor might clearly see that I'm a Mafia member, simply because he knows me better than I know myself, while to you, I might seem very suspicious.
*nodded*
And there are four Mafia members, which means they have four times more information. However, they usually need to eliminate specific town roles, so you'll still have some time to figure things out.
Please, don't "Mafia" me too much, otherwise I'll have to increase your Mafia hypothesis to 95%. What if stubborn people actually vote based on my posterior probability, and you get executed? Don't do that =-)
Just in case, this was a clear joke with no hidden meaning.
I'm amazed by your ability to apply numbers to everything. Seriously.
I'm actually quite bad at it. In fact, I came here to play Mafia to practice my social skills =-)
Batman is a murderer no less than the Joker, for all the lives the Joker took that Batman could've saved by killing him.
Elizer Yudkovsky, "HP and the Methods of Rationality".
Мой ник транслитерируется по-разному, но я предпочитаю варианты Оот и Ооот.
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Hey, where? o_O I didn't notice that.
If it doesn't bother you too much, I'd like to decline. I don't like addressing strangers with "you."
Let's keep this on topic.
It bothers me a lot, so let's get acquainted soon, shall we?
Please, don't "mafia" me so much, or I'll have to increase your mafia hypothesis to 95%. What if stubborn people actually vote based on my a posteriori probability, and you get executed? Don't do that =-)
I'll try not to do that, at least not out loud.
А, вот почему.

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By the way, maybe you should add something about the advisor to the table. Neither Gur, nor Vissy, nor you, nor I can be the advisor. Otherwise, the votes would be split equally.
No, we don't know the votes of the automaton and the spy. They might not have been split.
Execute Vissy.
That's completely...
I thought you were joking. Do you really want to waste a vote on someone who isn't among the killers?
Either you, Drakkosha, are the Mafia, and Arandor is the Town, or I don't want to live in Nero's world anymore.

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This is really annoying, so let's get to know each other soon.
Okay, sure =-)
Batman is a murderer no less than the Joker, for all the lives the Joker took that Batman could've saved by killing him.
Elizer Yudkovsky, "HP and the Methods of Rationality".
Мой ник транслитерируется по-разному, но я предпочитаю варианты Оот и Ооот.
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On the previous page, we explained to him in simple terms that among those who voted for Tox, there don't necessarily have to be Mafia members, but there is definitely a very useful and good advisor among them, and it's not me or Ara. Now he's surprised that we don't want to "eliminate" a potential advisor.
А, вот почему.

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Nope, we don't know the voices of the Machine and the Spy. They could have stayed together.
Indeed, I forgot about these nuances.
I thought you were joking. Are you really going to give a vote to someone who isn't among the killers?
Either you, Drakkosha, are Mafia, and Arandor is a Town member, or I don't want to live in Nero's world anymore.
First of all, I'm not Drakkosha. And not even Mafia.
Secondly, we don't have any other candidates anyway. I suggested Gura, but people didn't really react. And you can't go far with NNV.
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On the previous page, we explained to him in simple terms that not all those who voted for Tox are Mafia, but there is definitely a very useful and good advisor among them, and it's not me or Ara. Now he's surprised why we don't want to accuse the potential advisor.
Please elaborate on your argument in more detail; it sounds unsubstantiated.
WHY is the probability that there are fewer than three Mafia members higher than 30%?
WHY is there definitely an advisor there?
WHY is it not you or Ara?
Right now, I only see unsubstantiated claims.

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Secondly, we still don't have any other candidates. I suggested Gura, but people didn't react much. And you won't get far with NNV.
Why Gura, who is also not among the killers? I don't understand.
Batman is a murderer no less than the Joker, for all the lives the Joker took that Batman could've saved by killing him.
Elizer Yudkovsky, "HP and the Methods of Rationality".
Мой ник транслитерируется по-разному, но я предпочитаю варианты Оот и Ооот.
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