DISCUSSIONS on “Rules for online games in HoMM3 and formulas for calculating player rating.” — Online Tournaments

kalababa

6/21/2013 8:56 AM UTC

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Yesterday, a similar situation occurred. I was heading to a resource point for a meeting, and when I exited the teleport, I saw a bear nest taken by an opponent and a Castle (I didn't see any castle guards). This was the last day when resource points for meetings were being contested. As far as I remember, in high-level resource points, the guards always need to be defeated if their color changes (correct me if I'm wrong). So, I had just enough movement points to either enter the Castle or rush to the bear nest. Since I was watching a stream, I didn't risk attacking the bear nest and instead went to the Castle, and thankfully, there was a small treasure there. So, the question is, if I had gone to the bear nest, would it have been considered a resource point contest? After all, the player can't remove the guards.

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Sav

6/21/2013 9:02 AM UTC

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The guard on resource locations is restored only with the start of a new week, along with the increase in creatures, regardless of who and when captured it, so a resource location captured in week 1 cannot have a guard.

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Ominous1

6/21/2013 9:03 AM UTC

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kalababa

So, here's the question: if I were to use a "nychka" (a hidden location/base), would it still count as a "re" (replay) for the match? After all, the player can't remove the guard.

If the "nychka" is discovered, there's no need to fight to reclaim it; only if the next week has begun.

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~no1_knows_me~

6/21/2013 9:23 AM UTC

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Sav

The guard on resource locations is restored only with the start of a new week, along with the increase in creatures, regardless of who and when captured it, so there cannot be a guard on a resource location captured in week 1.

Damn, I didn't know that... :) Thanks for the info!

"Пришел, увидел, победил" - Юлий Цезарь.
"Пришел, скастовал, убежал" - Hit'n'Run.

- Почему женщины любят кентавров?
- И мужик в доме, и скотина в хозяйстве.

Штирлиц шел по коридору. Вдруг одна из дверей открылась, оттуда выскочил Борман, дал Штирлицу сильного пендаля и заскочил обратно. «Гарпия» - догадался Штирлиц.

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Iamsamstan

6/21/2013 10:48 AM UTC

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After yesterday’s game on the map, I had an idea to introduce a ban on using the bug for heroes controlling ballistas, specifically, to allow only 24 shots, which is the limit. This bug cost me a won game yesterday. To be honest, I didn’t know about it before, so I didn’t touch the ballista, which ultimately defeated me by using 8 shots after the formal end of the ammunition.

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Сатир

6/21/2013 11:22 AM UTC

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Let's say that if someone loses in a more or less unusual way, we should immediately make a correction to the rules to reduce the frustration of the loser. Regardless of whether it's a ridiculous situation or not.

Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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Vatya

6/24/2013 6:13 PM UTC

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Iamsamstan

After yesterday's game, I received a suggestion to introduce a ban on using the bug for heroes controlling ballistas, specifically limiting them to the 24 shots they have. This bug cost me a won game yesterday. To be honest, I didn't know about it before, so I didn't touch the ballista, which ultimately defeated me by using 8 shots after the formal end of the ammunition.

Ignorance of the rules (bugs) does not excuse you from responsibility (losing) :)

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Iamsamstan

6/24/2013 7:05 PM UTC

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Vatya

Ignorance of the laws (bugs) does not exempt one from responsibility (losing) :)

I'm not arguing, I'm just suggesting that this phenomenon be fixed.

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PReDS

6/25/2013 11:20 PM UTC

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Iamsamstan

I'm not arguing, I'm just suggesting that this issue be fixed.

And let's also ban the use of extra charges provided by the cart in Dwarf Mines, Necropolises, and other similar locations; it's clearly a bug: since it's not on the battlefield, it shouldn't increase the number of charges. :smile29:

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zoog

6/26/2013 2:48 AM UTC

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It's simple: keep an eye on the shots, i.e., with neutral creatures, and it's very difficult and very rare in terms of benefit/imbalance. It's easier to specify the "Physique" skill in a personal agreement.

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RiMpel2

6/26/2013 8:25 AM UTC

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You guys are completely crazy.

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RiMpel2

6/26/2013 8:57 AM UTC

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No, maybe the opponent lost connection. Disputed issues are resolved by the AK or the judges if they can't resolve them themselves. And somewhere it was written that you save and exit, and the saves are submitted to the AK. Therefore, exiting doesn't necessarily mean losing.

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zoog

6/26/2013 4:24 PM UTC

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III. Map settings options, additions, and differences in game rules for popular templates (SoD version).

Does this apply to:
4. Panic and Balance templates:
5. 2sm2c, Balance(200), skirmish templates with 200% difficulty:
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As a more general case regarding the Balance template...
This point needs to be clarified because in 4, it is forbidden to enter treasure zones (10 on the Balance template, 6, 9, 12 on the Panic template) through glitched passages, but this is not the case in 5.

Furthermore, can we generalize the restriction of this prohibition with Jebus – that is, passage is allowed if the guard in the treasure zone has been defeated? "Glitched passages between the central treasure zone and a specific zone are prohibited until the guard between these zones is defeated." I think that yes.

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Iamsamstan

6/26/2013 5:05 PM UTC

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PReDS

and let's also prohibit the use of extra charges provided by the cart in the Dwarven Mines, Necropolises, and other locations; it's clearly a bug: it's not on the battlefield, so it shouldn't increase the number of charges either. :smile29:

well, the cart is there) it's just a graphical quirk, and if it's not there, there are no extra charges.

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Дубровин Павел

6/26/2013 5:57 PM UTC

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Chingis

I watched a recording of the game from 1.5 years ago. The opponents were arguing about whether it was a draw or who won. One of them got tired of arguing and said he was leaving the game.

Question. In this case, does the player who left the game voluntarily lose?

In the case where a player who leaves voluntarily refuses to continue, they should be considered the loser. However, the procedure was never formalized. Until a procedure is established for this (in case a player refuses to confirm such a loss), it is best to contact the arbitration committee/tournament judge.

С истиной где-то рядом...