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Why not 10-20?
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Here is our replay in the attachment.

I don't have a save file (I explained why above). If the respondent wants to prove their innocence, they can upload their save, and I will provide the password.

In principle, the main question is:

Respected respondent, explain to us, the newbies, why, having a double Dungeon, you build at least some Earth Dwellings in the second tier on the first week (it's not visible further in the screenshot). Do you have an extra 10K for these buildings, considering that the Dungeon is already an expensive castle, and you have a double one. Judging by the screenshot, you don't have that many of them. There clearly isn't enough for a full purchase on day 131 (screenshot from day 127).
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These are save files from a game of Jebus, 2-3 weeks old. The red player's password is 4063257, and the blue player's is 257. After reviewing the save files, I didn't find any evidence of maphacking. Everything was scouted before sending the main hero anywhere (the overview was checked). Also, there was an opportunity to take two Manticores' lairs that were close to each other, and they had decent guards, but they weren't taken. The Minotaur lair wasn't taken either, but the Medusa lair was. I think that's strange, because it seems like it would have been more advantageous to take the Manticores' lairs. This would have been +19-20 Manticores by week 2, which is pretty strong, right? The only thing I don't understand is that a box guarded by 10-19 Cyclops was defeated but not taken, although there's an explanation for that – Shaktis doesn't have Wisdom, so magic could have been involved. So, it seems like everything was done fairly.
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Come on, provide the details, including who generated it, okay?

Seriously, don't you understand? We're talking about cracking password-protected save files.
Wouldn't it be interesting to try and help find a vulnerability in the HD+ protection at the same time?
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Chingis
I have simply added everyone who even indirectly expressed support for "Genius" to the list of "suspected map hackers" (solely for future time-saving purposes).
Thank you for your opinion! :)
Chingis, my friend, something is definitely wrong with you.

P.S. what is "map hacking"?
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By the way, the cart doesn't have any modifiable properties (at least, that's what my map editor tells me), so there's no way to find out what's inside. But this is clearly not a map hack; it's something else...
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Here is our game attached.

I don't have a save (why, I wrote above), if the respondent wants rehabilitation, then let them upload theirs, and I'll give the password.

Basically, the main question:

Dear respondent, explain to us noobs, why the hell, having a double Dungeon, would you build at least external dwellings in the secondary on the first week (can't see further beyond the screenshot). Do you have an extra 10K for these buildings, considering that Dungeon is already an expensive town, and you have double. Judging by the screenshot, you don't have that much. It's clearly not enough for a full buyout on 131 (screenshot from 127).
And why did he end up needing the external dwellings? What's the cheating? This is like the story with the unbooked spell in the game against Maretti. Strange, but proves nothing.
P.S. Shakti has 2 striking stacks - Angels and Troglodytes, maybe they needed a thick chow for capturing some external dwelling or Grffin Consrvatory.

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Chingis
map hack, map hack, mac hack, hackmac, etc.:), words don't matter.
only deeds matter.
You talk about deeds, but you yourself put people on your some mythical "blacklist" for assumptions and reasoning, which nobody cares about anyway.
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And why did he ultimately need those dugouts? What's the cheating about? It's like the story with the book not bought in the party with Maretti. Strange, but it doesn't prove anything.
P.S. the miner has 2 attack stacks - angels and troglodytes, maybe he needed a large amount of resources for some taken stash or cons.
With a double resource income? What are you even talking about? He would have enough money for his own buildings... But this guy spends almost a hundred bucks on some nonsense...

It's easier to give medusas for resources, if that's what you mean. They build themselves and accumulate slowly...
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Vatya
With a double resource bonus? What are you even talking about? He'd barely have enough money for his own buildings... And this guy is spending almost a hundred bucks on some nonsense...
There's no need to fantasize here; we need to analyze the save file day by day. Where was the hero, what did he plan to take, what hidden resources are there, etc. But the accusations are about maphacking, not about being foolish when building structures, so people are expecting a different kind of save file here.
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Dwellings are a good source of meat for the Undead.
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Are you out of your mind? No matter where the hero is, or what he plans to take, there's no point in building outposts when you already have your own double! Here, you'd have enough money to invest in buildings and buy things.
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Vatya
but there's no point in building outposts when you already have your own double! Here, you could easily afford it with your own resources... For buildings and for buying things.
Maybe he just wanted to get the birds faster.
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Vatya
Here is our team in the attachment.

I don't have a save file (I explained why above); if the respondent wants to prove his innocence, let him upload his own, and I'll give him the password.

In principle, the main question is:

Dear respondent, explain to us, newbies, why, having a double Dungeon, you build at least some huts in the secondary Castle in the first week (it's not visible further in the screenshot). Do you have an extra 10K for these buildings, considering that the Dungeon is already an expensive Castle, and you have a double one. Judging by the screenshot, you don't have that many of them. It's clearly not enough for a full purchase on day 131 (screenshot from day 127).

In such a case, it's very difficult to refrain from teasing such a guy :-D
Dude, what lands are you talking about? It's your main Castle that was captured. And you built them yourself, LOL.

The saddest thing is that most of the accusations from all sorts of "herbivores" - Chinghises and Satyrs - were the same as what provoked me to insults.
Usually, I naturally keep silent, but with such a massive influx of these guys, I couldn't resist and threw in some barbs, for which I apologize.

Regarding the Vein on the first turn:

He stepped on the School of Magic, or on the cell below (it doesn't change anything) - he sees a block of Gogs. Then he goes to check the off-road area at the top, even though there is nothing there, only a chest two moves away and two piles that could have been taken faster if he went through the left direction. And it would be more rational, from the point of view of map hacking, to take 2 piles of gold from below, and another pile with the Miner - and buy a fourth hero.
This case, on the contrary, shows that I am NOT using map hack, lol.

In general, I understand that I will not play anymore. Because playing like this is disrespecting myself. You have to deliberately play exclusively based on scouting and roads. Never run into the darkness, even in a Treasure artifact - that's nonsense.

If I feel like it, a series of streams will save me, because it will become obvious that I play very badly.
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Are you delusional? No matter where the hero is or what he plans to take, there is no point in building Hives when you have your own double!!!! You'd barely have enough gold for your own stuff... for buildings and buying.
And what to build in your own double? The main strike stack, Troglodytes, are already built. Evil Eyes with Medusas, I think, are also already built, thankfully they are quite cheap. If a Dragon Utopia has been found, it is more logical to build Fire elementals with Hives for devouring it, rather than building more expensive and currently less needed Minotaurs or Cats.
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Let's continue the discussion. Another game as the Barbarians.
The starting view:


End of the first day. The first hero, Vey, rushes upwards, as shown before. Gretchin takes the bird's nest and decides to explore the paths.


We run along the dirt road to the edge of the map. There, we randomly found a Pandora box.


And here's an interesting moment.

The Pandora box is guarded by 50-99 water elementals. The Pandora box is good; theoretically, it can contain: Simple Ogres, Armored Ogres, 10k experience, 10k gold, Magic level 3, Magic level 4. If there are native zones, there may be Orcs and possibly wolves. It's a bit scary to go into the SOD against the water elementals because if there's an armored stack, it's likely a loss with no chance. If there are no armored units, the battle is still not easy, and there will likely be very large losses. Let's think, is such a risk worth it for this Pandora box? The question is: what's in the black box? (© What? Where? When?). The correct answer: 45 Orcs.
P.S. Claudius was bought on this turn, but he didn't go down the road.

And here's another question. Why might we need 45 Orcs? The answer is in the screenshot.

Two dwarf mines, 20+15, allow us to place bears in the Castle. But what if there were 10k experience or an empty Pandora box?

Of course, overall, the game is acceptable, but personally, I'm most worried about the question: why did Vey run upwards and not along one of the two roads.
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