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They spent 5 pages insulting the schoolboy, and he couldn't take it anymore and snapped. "Woohoo, he's definitely cheating! Look how he insults them back!" What did they expect? Even 30-year-old adults lose their cool under this kind of pressure from the "committee."
Regarding "No streams will help; he'll just watch the map in another window" – that's nonsense. Streams with commentary will completely justify him; we'll see his unconventional thinking, and it might not look like random jumps in the dark anymore. And it will give the "barbarian" something to think about; if it still looks suspicious, it will hint at him constantly revealing the map.
Amiloo
(although there doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm for justifying himself)
How would your "enthusiasm for justifying yourself" look if people who have nothing to do with the games came into the thread and, excuse my language, crapped all over you? This is the case in most accusations – here, Britva, Vigo/Vitalik – even people from the Heroes 5 community come in to express their authoritative opinion, which shouldn't be taken into account. In court, a homeless person named Vasya (if Vasya has nothing to do with the case) wouldn't be allowed to say that, in his opinion, this guy is a good person because he looks neat, and Vasya would drink with him.
dom2
13 years ago
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One_123
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Clone/noob – it doesn't matter, their opinion doesn't carry much weight...
How would your "enthusiasm to defend yourself" look if people who have nothing to do with games came to the topic and, excuse my language, started to insult you?
I can clearly imagine that. I would gather all the accusations I saw and completely refute them, explaining everything in detail, preferably not in this topic, but personally to the accuser. I would simply ignore those who "insulted," stating that I have already explained everything in a private message.
I'm disappointed by the approach of both the accusing and defending sides to the investigation (although there doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm for providing an explanation). I would like the person being accused to be informed of the suspicions against them in a private message, without jokes or hints, in a dry and strict manner, with a request to describe their actions as thoroughly as possible, also in a dry and strict manner. Refusal = ban, and this correspondence should only be made public in the event of a guilty verdict.
I completely agree; they've thrown a bucket of mud at the person and still expect them to remain calm. Yes, everything that has been revealed about them looks suspicious, but no more than that. It's clear that it's practically impossible to prove map hacking, but the facts we're seeing are clearly not enough to justify a ban.
P.S. It's amusing to see the opinions of all sorts of know-it-alls who haven't even looked at the saves properly, but are still pouring out criticism. Where is the presumption of innocence?
I just looked at the replays, and I don't understand those who still believe in his innocence. The move on turns 124-125 is particularly telling; it's the same kind of tactic as hiding units with birds.
I'd like to share my story of games with this person. It all started back on GR when he played under a different nickname. I’ll describe 2 games on Jebus Cross, 1 I lost, 1 I won. In the first game, playing as Rampart, he got a good spread, with an external dragon dwelling near the Castle, and a Dragon Utopia a bit lower. He scouted across the mainland in different directions and found 2 more external dragon dwellings, but only took 1 of them, even though the other was close to a secondary town he didn’t reach. In another game, playing as Dungeon, he had a poor spread and missed reaching the dragons by a few tiles with his scout. Then, seeing my Kreegan with 50+ upgraded wyverns and having only 1 dragon himself, he visited the fort and upgraded it hoping to shred me with Armageddon, but I had the Cloak of the Undead King. In short, what I want to say is: he doesn’t use a map hack, but he can be a bit dishonest, like in the first example from dirty, when he didn’t take the Census after auto.
Kids, I watched your gameplay recording, I saw your 2x2 stream – overall, I can say that you're a great and not-stupid guy. But in this case, you're an idiot. I started all this mess only because I hoped you would understand. You banned an innocent person without any proof. I'm really tired of having to prove this – thanks to everyone, goodbye.
You know what, let's start with the fact that I didn't insult you. Oh well, I haven't reacted to insults on the internet for a long time. Now, let's get down to business. You see, it so happened that I have to dig through this mess, analyze save files, etc., even though I don't need to, I don't get any pleasure from it, and I really hate wasting my time on such investigations. You say you're innocent, but forgive me, but I can't believe you just on your word. If everyone in our country was believed on their word, the prisons would be empty. Therefore, I draw conclusions based on the save files. If you want to continue proving your innocence, I will post more screenshots this evening.
Juristis
13 years ago
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Lots of chatter and insults, but the promised saves for the accused were never shown.
Defiant
13 years ago
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All of this is, of course, suspicious, but if I were, for example, a cheater using a clone account, I would simply create a new account instead of trying to justify myself across 7 pages.
I agree with Dirty_Player, completely; I have nothing to add. Liophy also said that there are many inconsistencies, judging by the save files, but it's very difficult to prove anything based on just one game.
All of this is, of course, suspicious, but if I were, for example, a cheating clone, I would just create a new account instead of justifying myself for 7 pages.
Before this, you were writing correctly in this thread. But here, you are mistaken. Think about it - what is the motivation of a person if they are a cheater? What specific goal do they set, even subconsciously? And you will understand that completely
Moderated: PROFANITY in the message
messing up
what you have been working on for three or four months is a failure! To avoid that, it is worth fighting. Because now you have to start all over again. And the path is not short.
Juristis
13 years ago
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By the way, I checked the saves from the two bird dwellings, and in principle, it can be explained. Although the luck is incredible and very suspicious, there is still a rational explanation: you need crystals and a bonfire for the air creatures, and you can take down a gargoyle along the way, plus there's a pile of gold behind them. And then, indeed, everything opens up one after another. You can attribute this case to luck, a particular playstyle, or good intuition. I would like an explanation regarding another start as the Citadel, when the first hero ran along the dirt road, and there were blocks of Gogs along the way.
Vatya
13 years ago
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The catch here isn't in the maphack (although it might be present). I'll gather my thoughts and post my complaints. I'm currently in a game, so it will take me a while to write...
I actually looked at the replays, and I don't understand those who still believe in his innocence. The move on turns 124-125 is particularly telling; it's the same kind of thing as hiding units with birds.
I said that it's suspicious, but for a cheating accusation, you need at least 4-5 similar instances, not just 1-2.
