Total for the game twaryna vs =Stinger= — Tournament History

Javdet

13 years ago

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Hello, fellow Heroes enthusiasts. A good opportunity has arisen to start a betting pool, and the reason is the upcoming match between Stinger, the CIS champion, and Twaryna, the most popular player in the Russian-speaking internet, as part of the King of the Hill tournament. I'll take the risk of accepting bets on this match, as the idea of a betting pool has been brewing for a while, and someone has to start. So, here's how it will work: The minimum bet will be equivalent to 50 Russian rubles. Each player can place up to ten minimum bets on the match winner. The collected bank will be divided among those who correctly guess the match outcome, and the organizer. For now, I'll declare 10% of the total amount for organizational expenses, but I hope this percentage will be much lower. To place a bet: 1) Send an amount that is a multiple of 50 rubles to the Webmoney wallets listed below (just in case, here are the exchange rates against the ruble for today): USD 1 US Dollar 31.4512 EUR 1 Euro 41.1193 UAH 10 Ukrainian Hryvnia 38.6378 2) Send me a private message on our forum with your nickname, the amount of your bet, and your wallet number. That's all. The total amount of the bank will be announced immediately after the start of the game. Since this is the first experience of this kind, there is a high probability of misunderstandings, so please be understanding of any possible mistakes. Reasonable criticism and constructive suggestions are welcome. And here's the match announcement: twaryna (red swamp) vs =Stinger= (blue castle). Jebus Cross map. The last game between these rivals, with the same castles, was extremely interesting - Twaryna got 6 angel dwellings, but he didn't have time to convert all the winged creatures into archangels. Stinger did everything he could to lose, but he still managed to pull himself together for the final :) We'll see if the random number generator will be kind enough to provide an abundance of high-level dwellings again

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iDD

13 years ago

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Javdet

Hello, fellow Heroes players.
A good opportunity has arisen to start a betting pool, and the upcoming match between CIS champion Stinger and the most popular player in the Russian-speaking internet, Twaryna, in the King of the Hill tournament will serve as the occasion.

I'll take the risk of accepting bets on this match, as the idea of a betting pool has been brewing for a while, and someone needs to start it. So, here we go:

The minimum bet will be equivalent to 50 Russian rubles.
Each player can place up to ten minimum bets on the match winner.
The collected pool will be divided among those who correctly guess the match outcome, and the organizer. For now, I'll set aside 10% of the total amount for organizational expenses, but I hope this percentage will be much lower.

To place a bet:
1) Send an amount that is a multiple of 50 rubles to the Webmoney wallets listed below (just in case, here are the exchange rates against the ruble for today):
USD 1 US Dollar 31.4512
EUR 1 Euro 41.1193
UAH 10 Ukrainian Hryvnia 38.6378

2) Send me a private message on our forum with your nickname, the amount of your bet, and your wallet number.
That's all. The total amount of the pool will be announced immediately after the start of the game.
Since this is the first experience of this kind, there is a high probability of misunderstandings, so please be understanding of any possible mistakes. Reasonable criticism and constructive suggestions are welcome.

And here's the match announcement: twaryna (red swamp) vs =Stinger= (blue castle). Jebus Cross map.
The last game between these rivals, with the same castles, was extremely interesting - Twaryna got 6 angel dwellings, but he didn't have time to convert all the winged creatures into archangels. Stinger did everything he could to lose, but he still managed to pull himself together for the final :) We'll see if the random number generator will be kind enough to provide an abundance of high-level dwellings again.

Rom, where are the odds?

Javdet

13 years ago

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No bookmakers involved. Bookmakers imply the presence of a bookmaker who risks their own funds. I'm not ready for that right now. Therefore, bets are simply collected on both players and divided among those who guessed the winner.

asm

13 years ago

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As I understand it, there are no "cafes" involved; it's simply a system where two bets are placed, 10% is deducted, and after the results are announced, the first bet is returned to its owners, while the second is distributed among them proportionally to the amount they wagered.

Merlin used a similar system for the CIS region, and Me won everything by being the only one to bet on Stinger.

Javdet

13 years ago

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IMHO, the odds favor Artem, but considering the map they're playing on and their last match, I'd personally bet on Tvarina, as I think you can win more by betting on his victory.

numOne

13 years ago

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Yesterday, Roma wrote to me about his idea, and I tried to explain to him that it wouldn't work in this format. When only one pair of players is involved, coefficients are required for betting, and the organizer must be responsible for the bets with their own money. It is also necessary for people to know what they are betting on and what they will receive if they win. Currently, Roma is suggesting simply placing a blind bet and receiving a profit depending on how many people bet on the other player. In other words, if 10 people bet, and they all bet on a creature (for example), in the event of the creature winning, they will not receive anything – they will simply get their money back. Plus, Javdet decided to take 10% of the profit, and it's unclear on what basis. That is, in the example I gave, people will not only not win anything, but they will also lose 10% of their bet. And most importantly, what I didn't like about Roma's proposal is that he basically just wants to throw out an idea without wanting to continue working on it and thinking through the details, because he admitted that money and everything related to it is not his thing. I hope, Roma, you don't want to keep this a secret, and I haven't revealed any of your secrets. No offense, but all of this looks raw and uninteresting.

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Lider1

13 years ago

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numOne

And the most important thing I didn't like about Roma's proposal is that he basically just wants to throw out an idea without wanting to continue working on it and fleshing out the details, because he admitted that money and everything related to it is not his thing.

Well, that's up to him, whether he wants to continue with it or not. If he wants to, he will; if not, then he won't.
Perhaps the first attempt will determine his future attitude.

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Wicc

13 years ago

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numOne

Right now, Roma suggests simply placing a blind bet and getting a profit depending on how many people bet on another player. In other words, if 10 people bet, and they all bet on the same creature (for example), in case the creature wins, they won't get anything – they'll just get their money back.

Yes, this is a classic form of a tote – if everyone bets on the favorite, and he wins, then everyone loses.

Javdet

13 years ago

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Regarding the 10 percent. I believe this figure is relevant for the first time, as it's a new endeavor and we don't know what difficulties might arise. Perhaps there won't be any at all, but keeping track of expenses and then having to pay commissions from transfers out of pocket isn't very appealing. If we can manage to stay within 2-3%, that would be fantastic.

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numOne

13 years ago

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Lider1

Perhaps this first attempt will determine the overall mood going forward.

This is already the second attempt; the first was BOB. And I really wouldn't want it to, like BOB, determine the future mood.

Although this is purely my personal opinion. Let's see what comes of it.

Ihtiandr

13 years ago

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Finally! Javdet, thank you for implementing this long-awaited event for gambling enthusiasts! The only, and in my opinion, important suggestion is to display the ratio of the total bets placed on each side during the betting process and update it after each bet. This way, people will know how much they will win (assuming no one else places bets, of course) and avoid situations like the one described above, where everyone bets on the same side and ends up losing.

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Dark

13 years ago

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numOne

Yesterday, Roma wrote to me about his idea, and I tried to explain to him that it wouldn't work in this format.
When only one pair of players is involved, coefficients are required for betting, and the organizer must be responsible for the bets with their own money. It is also necessary for people to know what they are betting on and what they will receive if they win.
Currently, Roma is suggesting simply placing a blind bet and receiving a profit depending on how many people bet on the other player. In other words, if 10 people bet, and they all bet on a creature (for example), in the event of the creature winning, they will not receive anything – they will simply get their money back.
Plus, Javdet decided to take 10% of the profit, and it's unclear on what basis. That is, in the example I gave, people will not only not win anything, but they will also lose 10% of their bet.

And the most important thing that I didn't like about Roma's proposal is that he basically just wants to throw out an idea without wanting to continue working on it and thinking through the details, because he admitted that money and everything related to it is not his thing.
I hope, Roma, you don't want to keep this a secret, and I haven't revealed any of your secrets. No offense, but all of this looks raw and uninteresting.

Sorry, Java Java, but Namwan is right again :)

numOne

13 years ago

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And purely from a technical point of view, it's much more convenient to have a card from a well-known bank (ideally, Sberbank). Even the simplest one – Visa Electron – is sufficient. The service fee is minimal, but it allows you to fully use the bank online and make instant transfers between cards of the same bank without any fees.
WebMoney loses out compared to a card in terms of the number of users and charges a commission, while also having a clunky interface.

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Javdet

13 years ago

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Ihtiandr

My only, but important, suggestion is that during the betting process, the ratio of the total amounts bet on each side should be displayed and updated after each bet.

This will definitely be done.

Added 5 minutes later
I'll make the first bet myself - 100 rubles on Tvarina, even though I'll be rooting for Artem)))