1st Underground Online Blitz Tournament (UOBT)! — Tournament History

КостяN

4/15/2013 6:58 PM UTC

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numOne

No offense, Kostyan, but with this approach and unwillingness to adjust the rules, the tournament can already be considered a failure. Saying that the tournament will fall apart after a couple of rounds if no one backs down is fundamentally the wrong approach.
And some more thoughts. For betting and serious play, the chosen format is not suitable – blitz and 4 days for the tournament are not a good fit, because there is no time to assess the matchups, and there is no opportunity to fully play the game if, for example, it drags on; everything has to be done in a hurry. And I already talked about the lack of flexibility in the bets themselves.
I hope that in the future (if similar tournaments are planned), all mistakes will be taken into account.

The rules can be adjusted, and moreover, they are already being adjusted, but within reason! You can't start playing the tournament, figuratively speaking, on M200, and end it on a mirror match. Changes are needed – this is clear even to a hedgehog. In general, in order to at least try to save the tournament, we will have to take a short break (not cancel it!) – to adjust the format (but only adjust it!): firstly, we want to reasonably increase the time for each match, but without losing the "blitz" aspect (6 hours per game + 1 hour for betting as an option), and secondly, we need to do something about the bets (coefficients of 100% will not be possible anyway, at least in this trial format). Maybe it would be fun to require all participants to post their predictions for all matchups in the forum thread, without saying which one they choose for the bet (and the bets themselves, of course, in private messages, without the right to change the prediction)?

An organizational pause is announced in the tournament - with the aim of reviving it. Approximately 1-3 days.

Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:

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numOne

4/16/2013 3:36 AM UTC

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Javdet

My idea for organizing such a betting pool:
Before the game, everyone contributes a small amount, say 50 rubles. If someone wants to bet more, they can contribute in increments of 50 rubles, up to 10 times. In the end, we have a total amount in the pool, which is divided among those who correctly guessed the winner and the organizer (to cover organizational expenses and their work).
Pros:
- No need for a professional bookmaker, so they don't have to risk their own capital;
- Simplicity.

That's a good idea.

KostyaN

Maybe it would be more fun if all participants in the betting pool were required to post their predictions for all matches in the thread, without saying which one they are choosing for their bet (and the actual bets are made privately, without the possibility of changing the prediction)?

That's also a valid idea, but it's not entirely clear what kind of predictions you're asking people to make.

I suggest that this time, we don't bother with odds (we can leave that for the next tournament, after thinking everything through), but simply make bets, say, on 5 matches at a time, and write your prediction directly in the thread, of course, indicating who you are betting on, because I don't see any point in hiding these predictions. Whoever guesses all the matches correctly wins the entire pool for that round. If no one guesses correctly, the entire prize goes to the next round, and so on. And of course, you need to copy and save all the bets for yourself, so that no one can change anything afterward, and announce "bets are made, bets are no longer accepted" only after that the round is played. As for the timing: 2 days for bets and 7 days for the game, I don't think that will be a problem for anyone. And at least make 6 minutes for regular templates, and 4 minutes for M200 (or even better, create normal templates and a seasonal timer, or a chess clock).

Naturally, only those who have purchased participation should be able to participate in the bets. Let's say we make a fixed bet per round - 50 rubles, i.e., to bet on 1 round, a person must send you at least 50 rubles or more - so they don't have to top up after each loss. Ideally, a separate time should be set before the tournament, 1-2 weeks, for buy-ins, and everything that is contributed should be recorded in your accounting and all calculations should be done in real-time in the first post, so that it is immediately clear who has what left. Therefore, it is best to cancel this tournament and start everything over, since only 1 round has been played, and with the new rules, I am sure, more people will sign up.

P.S. You should remove your announced prize (50$) for the betting pool and simply take on some minor expenses to cover the commissions when transferring money from players (where this commission exists). You can also create an FAQ about where and through which system it is best to send money to minimize transfer costs.

Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.

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Dark

4/16/2013 7:44 AM UTC

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numOne

I suggest that this time we don't bother with coefficients (let's leave that for the next tournament, after carefully considering everything), but simply place bets, say, on 5 matches at a time, and write our predictions directly in the thread, of course, indicating who we are betting on, since I don't see any point in hiding these predictions. Whoever guesses all the matches correctly wins the entire accumulated pot for the tournament. If no one guesses correctly, the entire prize money goes to the next tournament, and so on. And of course, you need to copy and save all bets for yourself so that no one can change anything afterward, and announce "bets are placed, no more bets are accepted" only after that the tournament begins. As for the timing: 2 days for placing bets and 7 days for the tournament, I don't think that will be a problem for anyone. And at least make 6 minutes for regular templates, and for M200, you can leave it at 4 minutes (or even better, create normal templates and a seasonal timer, or a chess timer).

Naturally, only those who have purchased participation should participate in the betting. Let's say we make a fixed bet per tournament - 50 rubles, i.e., to place a bet on 1 tournament, a person must send you at least 50 rubles or more - so that they don't have to top up after each loss. Ideally, a separate time should be set before the tournament, 1-2 weeks, for buy-ins, all the money collected should be recorded in your accounting, and all calculations should be done in real-time in the first post, so that it is immediately clear who has how much left. That is, it is best to cancel this tournament and start everything from scratch, since only 1 tournament has been played, and with the new rules, I am sure, more people will sign up.

P.S. You should remove your announced prize (50$) for BOB and simply take on some minor expenses to cover the commissions when transferring money from players (where this commission exists). You can also create an FAQ about where and through which system it is best to send money to you to minimize transfer costs.

By the way, I agree with Namvan.
I would do it so that everything is clearly visible, who is betting on whom, the bet per tournament is fixed, let's say 50 rubles, to participate in the betting you must deposit a minimum amount of 100 rubles (for 2 tournaments), after each tournament, as Namvan described, in case no one guesses all the results of the matches, the prize fund goes to the next tournament, and so on, after 2 tournaments (since the deposit amount is 100 rubles, all participants participate in the second tournament), top-ups begin (and it is logical for them to be present, since the jackpot after 2 tournaments with the participation of, for example, 10 players will already be 1000 rubles). The time for placing bets should be short, draws should be prohibited, only wins or technical wins. The number of tournaments should be fixed before the start of the tournament, for example, 8 or 10 (it depends on various factors). The easiest way to accept money from players is, of course, via a phone number, for example, simply have the organizer deposit money on the phone for participation in the betting, and the organizer, in turn, deposits this money into the tournament. Of course, I understand that the money that will be on the mobile operator's account will not be spent immediately, but in a month or two, but that's what the ORGANIZER is for, to invest, so to speak, in the future and promote Heroism.
And the prize fund, in case of winning, the organizer will have to transfer to a card, for example, Visa (this will require some effort) or to the winner's phone number, for example, at the winner's request.

лето 2012.

numOne

4/16/2013 8:04 AM UTC

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I forgot to mention that the requirement to place a bet on each round should be removed. That is, if you don't want to place a bet in this round (or you don't have time, for example), you don't have to; you can place it in the next round, and so on. Information about the accumulated jackpot will then encourage players to place bets, and, theoretically, by placing a 50 ruble bet in the last rounds, you could win the jackpot. It's romantic. :)
Another clarification: only those who purchased participation before the start of the tournament can participate in the betting. During the tournament, only they can purchase additional participation. The rest remain only as spectators. This will simplify the organization of the betting process.
And also, there should be a small reward for the organizer for managing all this accounting. For example, if no bet wins in a round, all the collected money is transferred to the next round, minus 10%, which the organizer keeps for themselves.

Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.

Aiwe

4/17/2013 2:13 AM UTC

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17.04.2013 Aiwe (blue, Tower, Aine, Sephinroth) def Pupa (red, Swamp, Wystan, Wysnan), 141, 2sm2c m+u 200%

On the 2nd week, it was discovered that a map with Dungeon had been generated, but we decided to continue playing; by the way, the generation was correct :D .

I decided to play through magic, with an army of Gremlins, Gr. Gargoyles, and Golems; I built 5 Mage Guilds with a library. From the 4th level, they gave Resurrection; from the 5th level, Air elementals and Implosion :eek: A hero with Intelligence who gives Crystals showed up — I took him, then went to look for my opponent:smile13:

I searched for a long time, captured the main castle, but despite the fact that all the scout heroes were also mages, due to lack of time, the scout hero Brissa gave me no small amount of trouble, capturing and holding my Rampart village. I recaptured it; my opponent has no more castles — he comes out to my Necro secondary hero — I get beaten, hand over, attack.

There are 3 red Drakes from an external dwelling, 4 Angels, 12 Wyverns, 8 Minotaurs, 19 Lizardmen, but only 4 mana.
I have 200 mana, Implosion for 1250, Resurrection, 35 Golems, 230+ blue ~20 Gargoyles.

5 Implosions in a row — ГГ.

Thanks for the game!

http://heroes3.tv/aiwe

Jopik

4/17/2013 8:37 AM UTC

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I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I think it would be a good idea to allow bets not only on specific matches within a tournament, but on any official tournament matches in general.

c0nn3c71nkK.ppL

4/17/2013 7:26 PM UTC

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17.04.2013 c0nn3c71nkK.ppL (blue, dang, Shakti, Shakti) def bRitvo4kA (red, strong, Gurni, Gurni) 131 balance

Didn't take resources, roads are slow. Was surprised by the caster.)
On 111 +1 defense, chest, I'm standing near the second chest and 1000 experience nearby, thinking of checking the second day. Take all this loot, scout - 2 dungeon villages nearby, gold available - let's play.
On the first day I clear the area, Shakti is standing near the next zone where creatures are visible. Home: 1-4 citadels + circles, income 2625.
On the second day I partially buy out, take the creatures and rush the Griffin Conservatory with troglodytes.. Next day I take a nearby crypt for 1500, shield +4, stable, and aim for the Conservatory. Bring griffin medusas, troglodytes, a couple of griffin harpies and attack. 2 angels in exchange for 10 medusas. Break through to the portal, there's a necro secondary. Have mass earth, but slow is not granted.
Nearby portal, I run out of it, and there's a weak army with meat and 1 creature, I accept. Open the scout - Gurni is a bit further, I have more meat and stats, end of turn. Opponent farms gold. Shakti on the creatures, with basic logistics and stable I reach the main where I power up. Opponent stands between the main and the necro secondary. Didn't attack, as I was anticipating a buyout. Shakti breaks through the GO from 50+ gold golems, takes a pandora's box worth 5k.
Meanwhile, day 7 and the opponent captures the necro secondary and runs home. Shakti returns and prepares to receive. Opponent runs into the sands and Shakti with the growth catches up. Advantage in meat and stats.

Thanks for the game!

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bRitvo4kA

4/17/2013 7:30 PM UTC

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c0nn3c71nkK.ppL

04/17/2013 c0nn3c71nkK.ppL (blue, dang, Shakti, Shakti) def bRitvo4kA (red, strong, Gurni, Gurni) 131 balance

The setup wasn't in my favor. Thanks for the game.

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SVAROG

4/18/2013 4:19 PM UTC

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KostyaN

An organizational pause is announced in the tournament - in order to revitalize it. Approximately 1-3 days.

I see everyone is playing, but I thought there was a pause in the tournament? Today is supposedly the deadline? What should I do?

Aiwe

4/18/2013 5:22 PM UTC

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Okay, a break means we'll replay it.

http://heroes3.tv/aiwe

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Defiant

4/18/2013 7:20 PM UTC

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SVAROG

I thought everyone was playing, but I assumed there was a pause in the tournament? Isn't today the last day? What should I do?

I thought so too :)

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Vatya

4/19/2013 1:39 AM UTC

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I apologize for butting in, but... Regarding the betting format, there's a simple and effective option that has been used successfully for a long time in Football Manager: 1. All participants make a preliminary, one-time contribution of a certain amount (determined by the organizer). 2. Everyone who has made the preliminary contribution has the right to place bets on ANY match after the pairings are announced, with ANY outcome. 3. Points are calculated on a scale of 1 point for a correct prediction and 0 points for an incorrect prediction (the only difference from football is that a draw is extremely unlikely. This is basically the only downside I see). 4. The winner is determined based on the results of all rounds. 5. Payouts are made as follows: First place: 50% of the prize pool Second place: 30% of the prize pool Third place: 10% of the prize pool P.S. With these rules, everyone must submit their predictions in the general chat before the games begin. P.P.S. The prize pool is formed from the number of paid entries (10% goes to the tournament organizer for their work). I've described the only downside; now, let's talk about the advantages (and yes, there's a second downside: mandatory prepayment). 1. No one is obligated to do anything on time or not. Miss the moment, miss the money. 2. Even if you miss a chance to place a bet, you still have a chance to win if you have enough successful previous rounds. 3. No corruption or collusion. 4. A crystal-clear system, no private messages or anything like that. 5. The organizer always comes out on top, so anyone with time and resources can be the organizer. 6. No hassle with creating odds. 7. No re-buys or other hassles. 8. The organizer can add any amount they deem necessary to the prize pool. Those were the obvious advantages; there are also some less obvious ones, and the format is open to constructive criticism. And yes, all of this is more suitable for a second Bob... Added after 31 minutes

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