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Juristis
I loved the Swamp map the most before the online version. And Bron was my favorite hero. Ironically, I couldn't stand the Conflux back then, but now it's my favorite in the online version.
Keep it up!

лето 2012.
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In the first battle, Twaryna would have won if he hadn't rushed in headfirst. Instead, he should have waited, killed the tent with an arrow, and then attacked the elves with angels. But it turned out pretty well anyway, because he ran into the muddy terrain where he got EVERYTHING... and then he just took care of the rest on his own.
I watched that battle. It wasn't winnable for Twaryna, but if he had destroyed the tent in the 3rd round, the exchange would have been more favorable for him. After all, Kiryushka had a significant advantage in terms of units and a lot of mana, which he simply forgot to use in the 1st round:D
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Good evening, everyone (=
I'm planning to stream the grand final between Javdet and God starting tomorrow morning.
If anyone is interested, here's the link to the stream: http://www.twitch.tv/sheezohrennik
The approximate start time is 10-11 AM Moscow time.
I'll post more details in the "Tvaryny" group: http://vk.com/heroes3tv
If you have any questions, you can ask me personally on VK: http://vk.com/sheezohrennik
And my ICQ is also available: 234971101
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While the Elves are sorting things out, GoedenDag and I have calculated some figures.

Let's start with all sorts of Castle statistics, since the confrontation between two Ramparts won't change anything anymore.

Since we've already had five "Favorites" tournaments, we decided to create a simple unified CASTLE ranking. The ranking includes the results of the top 16 players in each tournament. The winning Castle received 16 points, 2nd place - 15 points, 3rd place received 14 points, and so on. In cases where Castles were eliminated in the playoffs at the same stage, everyone was given the maximum score for the highest possible position. For example, for taking 5th-6th place, a Castle received 12 points, and for 13th-16th place - 4 points. In the "Favorites-1" tournament, the top 17 Castles received points (with 14th-17th places receiving 3 points each).

And here is what we got:

*The Castle that won each tournament is highlighted in yellow.

The clear favorite is Rampart, but it only proved in the fifth tournament that it can be more than just second (by the way, the silver tradition remained unbroken in this tournament). Next is Dungeon with a tendency to worsen its results from tournament to tournament and never having won Gold (the best result is 3rd place in L-3 and L-4), and quite stable Fortress.

Necropolis, which shone in "Favorites-1", earned half of its points then, and consistently worsens its results with each passing time.
Conflux and Castle are doing fairly well in the middle of the ranking; they have already taken their Gold.

Of the three outsiders, Tower is in the worst position, as it rarely makes it to the playoffs, and made it into the top 16 only once in L-3, thanks to rebellious taking 9th-16th place.
Barbarian received 12 out of 20 points in the current tournament thanks to bRitvo4kA, and also in L-2, ~no1_knows_me~ took 9th-16th place = 8 points.
The most promising of these three looks like Inferno, almost always reaching the upper part of the standings. This time, numOne took 9th-12th place and added 8 points to the Demons' rating. And in L-3, FireToSky reached 5th-8th place (this is Inferno's best result in the entire history of tournaments) = 12 points.

GoedenDag has created a very detailed and interesting Castle statistics report, for which we all thank him immensely. And soon we will see it.
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Very interesting statistics, especially for beginners, thank you!
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So, what do we have?

The "Fan Favorites in Battle! - 5" tournament became the second largest in terms of participants after "Fan Favorites - 2" – with 84 registered players.


Castle was the most popular town, chosen by a fifth of the players. Rampart, Dungeon, and Swamp share 2nd-4th place (15%).
The highest number of games were played using Rampart – 82, with 49 wins.


More than 200 games (excluding finals) were played on 8 templates. First place in popularity is still held by 2sm4d(3), significantly ahead of its closest competitors, 8мм6а and Jebus Cross.


You can find more detailed results for each town on different templates just below.


And finally, as a bonus. No comments needed.


To be continued...
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Congratulations to Goda on his determined and confident victory in the first game of the Grand Final! Huge thanks to Джавдет for not giving up throughout the game and trying to snatch victory from Goda, putting on a very good performance (=
Best of luck to both of you in the remaining games of the series
For those interested, I streamed all 14+ hours of the game on my channel; here are the links to the recordings:
Part 1: http://www.twitch.tv/sheezohrennik/b/387247349
Part 2: http://www.twitch.tv/sheezohrennik/b/387406488
I might join another game in the series, but definitely not in the next few days :D
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LLIu3OXPEHHuK
Good job. First, you spoiled the game's outcome, and then you write, "if anyone is interested, watch the 14-hour video."
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LLIu3OXPEHHuK
Well done. First, you spoiled the game's outcome, and then you write, "if anyone is interested, watch for 14 hours."
This is the first time I've seen someone say "thank you" like that.
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Congratulations to God for a strong and confident victory in the first game of the Grand Final! Huge thanks to Javdet for not giving up throughout the entire game and trying to snatch victory from God's hands, showing very good play (=
Good luck to both of you in further games of the series
For those who are interested, I streamed all 14+ hours of gameplay on my channel, links to VODs:
Part 1: http://www.twitch.tv/sheezohrennik/b/387247349
Part 2: http://www.twitch.tv/sheezohrennik/b/387406488
I might jump back in for some other games in the series, just definitely not in the next few days :D

Thanks for the stream, it was a pleasure listening to comments from people with good diction.

There were several questions during the stream about why things were done one way and not another.
1 The Griffin Conservatory under the Castle wasn't checked precisely because of the lack of mass slow. And without slow, breaking new Griffin Conservatories with 2nd-week armies is a risky endeavor. Spending a day just to check is an unaffordable luxury. I could have tried to max out Mephale's slow, but she was planned for the exit into the treasure zone (the one with Dragon Utopias) at 122-123 via another Griffin Conservatory. Who knew that treasure zone would be blocked by 50+ medusas. Perhaps it was worth risking a fight with them, but nearby there was another exit to 2 treasure zones, the contents of which you saw.

2 Vamps. An enticing idea, but very costly. And they are only relevant on the 2nd week, and even then there's a risk of getting wiped by some nags in a teleport.
If you noticed - there were extremely few crystals on the map, and I didn't want to sacrifice 10 when control was being actively built in the Castle.

And it's a bit disappointing that for the second time already on mirror I suffered because I revealed Dragon Utopias on the 1st week, while the opponent didn't reveal them and consequently didn't go towards them)
Although it's unknown which direction they would have gone without knowing about them.

But overall, well done for spending so much time and commenting until the very end.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.
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Thanks for the stream, it was a pleasure listening to comments from people with good diction.

There were a few questions during the stream about why things were done one way and not another.
1 The Griffin Conservatory under the Castle wasn't checked specifically because of the lack of mass slow. And without slow, breaking new Griffin Conservatories with 2nd-week armies is a risky business. Spending a day just to check them is an unaffordable luxury. I could have tried to max out Mephale's slow, but she was planned for the exit into the treasure zone (the one with Dragon Utopias) on 122-123 via another Griffin Conservatory. Who knew that treasure zone would be blocked by 50+ medusas. Perhaps it was worth risking a fight with them, but nearby there was another exit to 2 treasure zones, the contents of which you saw.

2 Vamps. An enticing idea, but very costly. And they are only relevant on the 2nd week, and even then there's a risk of getting wiped by some nags in a teleport.
If you noticed - there were extremely few crystals on the map, and I didn't want to sacrifice 10 when control was being actively built in the Castle.

And it's a bit disappointing that for the second time already on a mirror map I suffered because I revealed Dragon Utopias on the 1st week, while the opponent didn't reveal them and consequently didn't head towards them)
Although it's unknown which direction he would have headed without knowing about them.

But overall, well done for spending so much time and commenting until the very end.

Thanks for the feedback (=
Another question, by the way
Why didn't you attack him yourself on 147 or 211?
You understood that he was hoarding from all seven castles
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The hero wasn't sped up, so he couldn't reach him. And on map 211, without stables, he definitely wouldn't have been able to reach him.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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GoD, we need a detailed report from you and the saves!!! When do you plan to continue?
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I also have a request for those who know their stuff and wouldn't mind doing it: create a table based on the results, similar to a ranking showing where each player finished. It would be very interesting to see the statistics. Yes, I think players would also be interested in seeing "here I participated in the tournament and got this place."
It’s almost embarrassing to ask PITA, and the seasonal rating is more than enough…
3.5 years, 14 seasons, 43 months, over 10,000 reports... It's getting too monotonous... Sometimes I want something new. Let's try to create a Favorites Ranking.
A table of results for just one tournament can hardly be considered a ranking. But we have a large and interesting history. So, we created a Player Rating across all five past tournaments.
The formula for calculating the rating:
(LOG10(N/m))*33,
where N is the number of participants in the tournament, m is the participant's placement.
In cases where the position was not determined, the best possible result is taken.
The player's rating for a series of tournaments is calculated as the sum of their ratings for all the tournaments they participated in.

And to calculate all this, you need to REMEMBER EVERYTHING.
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There once was a simple tale, or maybe not a tale,
Or maybe not so simple, that we want to tell you.
We’ve remembered it since childhood, or maybe not since childhood,
Or maybe we don’t remember it, but we will recall… (c) E.U.

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Favorites-1. The Beginning. How the Necromancers came to power.
In those distant times, when the sun shone brighter and wizards walked the earth...
in our HeroesWorld, everything was just beginning. Small internecine wars were taking place.
The inhabitants were extremely ignorant; they hadn't even heard of broadcasts, let alone seen them on the internet. They manually separated units in battles, made saves themselves at the end of each day (and many didn't even know about saves), and learned the intricacies of warfare in ICQ.
Representatives of 9 races fought for the right to be called the best. But somehow it was unorganized and pathetic.
And then an idea arose to bring fighters together in one place and finally find out who is the main one.
Fighters gathered, as has been done since ancient times, in a tournament. However, Barbarians and Elementals did not show up at all, and the Tower dwellers submitted only one application but did not participate.
The tournament took place with overwhelming dominance of the undead - 1st and 3rd places. A veil of darkness descended upon our world. Galtran occupied the throne for many months.

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The "Favorites-1" tournament took place from winter to spring to summer of 2008 on the 2sm4d(3) map and brought together over 20 participants. Not everyone reached the end.
Here is the table of results:

Even now, among us are still the players Dirty_Player and StickyFingaz, who performed back then for Inferno and Castle respectively.
You can view the topic of the tournament in our History here; I have slightly moderated it to make it clearer, moved Zhenya's tables to the beginning, and added our ranking table at the very end.

At the beginning of that tournament, I was a little late, but I watched what was happening with interest and learned from the reports of the participants. I remember several reports very well and am happy to reread them now.
Here are Eric’s reports: here and here: Nagan-4 vs Decontaminator.
And here are wonderful reports from our veterans:
StickyFingaz
Nagan 4 (c, Dungeon, Sepirothors, Orrin) def Sticky Fingas (k, Castle, Adelaide).
This game showed me how stupid I am.
Throughout the game, I felt like a homeless person because all the chests on my meager respawn had useless artifacts. It was hard to get the first coned and griffin without a stronghold, and the second castle without angels and a town hall. That's why I was so happy when I defeated the opponent's army. I was so happy that I turned off my brain until the end of the game... "What, he doesn't give up???" I was terribly confused, "Hmm, what is he counting on?" All the remaining time... When I came to my senses, it was too late. In short, this was my most shameful defeat... Thank you to my opponent for the game and the lessons - 1) don't relax even if you are confident in victory, 2) stop playing Heroes; this game is not for you...
Dirty_Player
Dirty_Player(Inferno, Octavia, Luna) vs AndreyALN(Fortress, Drakon, Drakon) 1_4_5 DRAW
I was born above ground, so I didn’t restart.
I freed Luna from prison. The opponent allowed me to level her up, thank you for that.
By week 3, I had 66 demons and went into Utopia.
I lost half of the demons but took the minimum.
They gave me Titan armor and junk.
The money somehow ran out quickly, so instead of Devils, I decided to build a 4th guild.
I scraped together resources and built one, hoping for Armageddon.
Of course, they didn't give me Armageddon there, but they gave me Sorrow and Chain Lightning.
I was furious and went into the Cyclops lair to build a 5th guild.
I lost a lot, but I built the guild.
They gave me an elemental of fire.
I climbed into the metro, captured the alchemist's laboratory, and set up camp there.
Suddenly, a Dragon descends and attacks without hesitation... He has 22 Wyverns, 5 Hydras, and other trash against my 5 Sultans.
I understand that there is no chance here; I want to buy him off, but... shackles of war did their job!
I thought it was all over... I look at his stats, and they are surprisingly lower than mine (apparently, there was nowhere to level up).
I summon elementals with all my mana (52 each time). The wyverns rush at the Efreet and kill them all. But the entire swamp squad lies under the relentless onslaught of fiery elements! Both heroes died, and we decided to agree on a draw because it was too lazy to start again...
Thank you to my opponent for the game! It was very nice to chat!
And finally:
Dirty_Player
... This was my first online tournament, and most likely the last, because I realized that online is not for me... I will play offline in my free time! Good luck to everyone...
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But the organizer has been banned for a long time, or maybe he hasn't?
Was he a minor cheater? Or just someone else’s clone?

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Kostya, please share your memories as an eyewitness and participant.
Maybe Sticky will remember something interesting too?
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I decided to reminisce about how the beloved tournament started and opened a thread about the very first tournament. As with all great things, the tournament was organized completely by chance. Back in 2008, when online activity on HW was just starting to pick up, a newbie spammer named Корень Зла (Root of Evil) appeared, who later became Корень Добра (Root of Good), then Light Got, then Light God, and finally he got banned :D. He posted in every section, created his own clan, tried to do many other things, but his efficiency was close to zero. Due to his endless activity, he decided to launch his first (and only) grand project: simultaneously holding online tournaments for all versions of Heroes, where each player chooses their starting town. To be honest, I don't remember what happened to the tournament in other versions, but it clearly didn't take off there. In the Heroes 3 section, participants began signing up actively. Some were already strong players at that time, while others were just beginning. For example, this was my first online tournament; I didn't want to play for a long time, but we agreed with invisible that I would play an online tournament, and he would play offline. Players from HW also signed up, who are now known to everyone: Loi, StikyFingaz, Деконтаминатор (Decontaminator), TaKotoraya, SS-D, invisible (who traditionally withdrew), as well as strong brothers from St. Petersburg, Dudge and uran, Nagan-4, who had just appeared on our forum, and several experienced players from HP: Vigo, vitalic, Dreamcatcher, Hardcore. At that time, the rules of the game were not like they are now; Necropolis was almost unrestricted, and most chose this Castle. There were also many Ramparts and Dungeons, as usual. During registration for the tournament, as befits a true great organizer, he gradually started neglecting the tournament, unable to cope with his work. Who knows what would have happened to the tournament if moderator ewgeniy hadn't come to the rescue, taking over the organization and running the tournament very professionally. As for the system, there were three stages in the group stage. First, 6 groups of 4 people each, then 3 groups of 4 people each, and finally, 1 group of 3 people in the final. The template was only 2sm4d(3). I don't remember much about the entire tournament struggle; I remember playing Inferno and winning against the founder of the seasonal rating, SS-D, in the first round. In the second round, I played against the future champion, who played Necropolis with Galthran as his starting hero, along with an upgraded stronghold and improved vampires. I had Aiden, a mage from prison, and my whole hope was on Armageddon in GM4, which, of course, didn't happen. In the last game, I had to let my opponent through due to an upcoming session. I completely don't remember what happened in the other groups (/topic/at/177342/ you can find the tables here). Two brothers from St. Petersburg and Vitalic made it to the finals. In the very first game of the final, Dudge vs vitalic, a quarrel arose (well, how could we do without it?) over a bugged passage. After arguments, it was decided to replay the game, but even the replay didn't end peacefully due to another rule violation (I don't remember who violated what). As a result, victory was awarded to Dudge, and they didn't play against his brother Uran. And so, the first winner of the tournament appeared!

Time passed, the forum developed very actively, many strong players joined the forum, players from heroesportal also joined, where many new faces appeared, as well as heroes.by with its real "papacy" and unwillingness to play sm-games :D, and Pit appeared, and together we decided to jointly hold the second tournament in this series with the motto: "Your favorite race is being removed, but you still want to play it? Then come here!" But that wasn't enough for a full-fledged tournament, and we introduced a truly innovative idea for that time – BANNING TEMPLATES. There were already 40 participants in that tournament, and I will remember the group stage of that tournament for a long time.
Pit for LM won the tournament, and the tournament became traditional and beloved.
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"In those quiet times, now almost legendary..."(c) V.V.
Dirty_Player
...and Pit appeared, and we decided to jointly hold the second tournament in this series with the motto: "Your favorite faction is being removed, but you still want to play it? Then come here!"
"Decided" isn't quite the right word; rather, we "succumbed" under pressure. For several months, our master of words, holder of the "Golden Pen-3" award, Decontaminator, pressured us. It was at his suggestion that the second series emerged.
Kostya and I had argued several times about what meaning the organizers put into the tournament – playing a favorite faction that is being removed or proving the strength of your favorite Castle. And yesterday, I accidentally found an answer:
Light God
Choose a Castle. You need to choose a Castle to prove that your Castle is stronger; by choosing a Castle, you play with that Castle throughout the tournament.
I think that most players have both desires combined – they want to enjoy playing their favorite Castle and win the tournament.
Dirty_Player
...many strong players came to the forum, players from heroesportal actively joined, where many new faces also appeared, and heroes.by with its real community and unwillingness to play sm...
"But the fathers have their own minds, and as for us,
We looked at life quite independently
..."
Dirty_Player
But this wasn't enough for a full-fledged tournament, so we introduced a true innovation for that time – THE BAN ON TEMPLATES.
Our newcomers probably think that the Ban on Templates was given to us from the beginning. In reality, this great idea originated in our ХВ (HW), not so long ago. After that, other resources also started banning templates. I believe that the copyright for the Ban on Templates belongs to Джавдет, at least personally, I heard it from him first. Shortly before that, Джавдет held the first HW tournament NOT IN SM. Guess what? Correct, on Jebus Cross. From heroes.by, 8mm6 came to us; we first heard about panic during an inter-portal match with Lithuania; Balance sneaked in from WCL and China.

Favorites-2. A Ballad of Childhood. Dragons or Butterflies?
In the halls of the royal palace, they began to whisper more and more often: "Old Galtran is starting to decline... He often goes to the dentist in a secret room... And he comes out with a new spell - ГГ. And his favorites - brothers Uran and Dudj - have found other values in life and gone to serve other Gods... And parliament passed laws severely limiting the power of the undead... Isn't it time to take up arms again?"
It was then that the widespread fascination with a foreign American game called POXER began, which greatly contributed to improving the material well-being of our inhabitants.
The population of the HeroesWorld world increased in number, decreased in remoteness, and the vbn program appeared for quick transfer of various weapons and troop movements... It became easier and more convenient to fight for power. Strong Knights appeared in other lands, ready to prove that not only Necromancers are worthy of wearing the crown.
And there was another tournament, and as never before, the Dungeon fighters were strong.

"There was a time and there were basements,
There was business, and prices were lowered.
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The wings of Harpies, Scorpiсor, and Dragons overshadowed the Sun; Shakhti conquered half of the places in the top eight...
But "corridors end with a wall,
And tunnels lead to light...
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And... unexpectedly, in the next round, all four best Dungeon fighters suffered a crushing defeat, and the final victory in the tournament was celebrated by Elementals, who took 1st and 3rd place. The trophies were rich, especially the residents of Conflux liked the Sailor's Hat and the dried green shamrock. The elementals didn't know what these items were for...

"The Blue Brissa has a blouse with dragons and snakes,
Then the traveler Moner, our father, came to Conflux with trophies:
Trophy spells, breastplates, and vials,
Cloaks, Shackles, teapots, bottles, and jars..."


The "Favorites-2" tournament began in August 2009 and lasted almost six months. The default template was 2sm4d(3), but in the group stage, 25 out of 40 players chose a ban. The theme of the tournament is here.
As a result, the players receive this many points in our tournament rating:

The top 16 are taken into account in the Castle ranking. Dungeon occupied all places from 5th to 8th, which put it in first place in the ranking in this tournament. Swamp performed poorly, not taking any points in the Castle ranking. Therefore, the results of the next Favorites-3 tournament turned out to be unexpected.

During the tournament, I remember a very unpleasant situation in a group where three people scored 3 points each, and according to the rules (the worst result in the season), we had to eliminate Piterius; it was very upsetting for such an excellent player. Since then, I have been trying to solve this problem with tiebreaker matches.
Starting from the 1/4 finals, Kostya led the tournament alone because I was playing.
I remember the final game very well, as if we were playing yesterday. The report and saves are on this page. I remember the terrible minutes of waiting, whether Korbak would break through the Cyclops in the portal and kill them in one go. I remember the nonsense with chasing in the treasure zone and Roman's unexpected mistakes...
Of course, the 2sm4d(3) template is very successful for Conflux; now that banning templates is standard, the chances of Conflux have significantly decreased. I didn't make statistics for the entire tournament regarding templates, but here's how it looked in the group stage:
Templates: 2sm4d(3) - 52 games, 8mm6 - 8, Panic - 4, balance - 2, Jebus - 1.
That is, our innovation wasn't very popular at the time.

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