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:D The same situation with the stickers. It's exactly the same.
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Alone
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In my humble opinion, this is not quite the right understanding of a mirror match.
I haven't played a single game on it yet where the development was identical to my opponent's. The point of a mirror match is not to try to play in a predictable way, but rather to confuse your opponent. And from a purely gameplay perspective, it's in a mirror match that you can truly realize your vision of the map and have fun. So, you shouldn't be looking at your opponent; instead, you should do what will give you an advantage when you meet.
I didn't say anything about having identical development with the opponent, or maybe I didn't convey my thought clearly. What I mean is that there's an understanding of what the map contains (both yours and your opponent's), and a constant comparison of what you have and what your opponent has achieved. There's a constant awareness of where your opponent is, whether they are behind or ahead of your development – and this prevents you from enjoying the game. This is why the standard strategy is unpopular and why so few people sign up for the mirror match tournament. For this reason, it's advisable to play mirror matches closer to the final stage of the tournament. The same applies to panic and balance strategies, but for a different reason: their lack of depth and uninteresting gameplay. It's not very interesting to accumulate stacks of levels 1-4 in order to break through to the center in the early stages of week 3. There are exceptions, and I don't claim to have a complete assessment of these strategies, but that's my opinion.
KobRa_RR
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Yes, I probably wouldn't play a mirror match for fun, as it requires maximum concentration and effort, but in a tournament or for money, it's hard to come up with a better scenario.
Dirty_Player
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I always played Mirror matches with a special mindset, not wanting to be worse than the opponent. Perhaps this is what puts off some players, who can always blame the draw or fear that they have no chance of winning against a stronger player in an even match-up.
The problem with Mirror matches, in my opinion, initially stemmed from their improper presentation alongside the new Griffin Conservatory / Dragon Fly Hive... well, the generation difficulty also played a role. I hope @Baratorch will fix this misunderstanding someday and implement them for SOD.
But overall, Mirror matches are really cool. :cool:
The problem with Mirror matches, in my opinion, initially stemmed from their improper presentation alongside the new Griffin Conservatory / Dragon Fly Hive... well, the generation difficulty also played a role. I hope @Baratorch will fix this misunderstanding someday and implement them for SOD.
But overall, Mirror matches are really cool. :cool:
Ihtiandr
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And I like the idea of new Griffin Conservatories and Dragon Fly Hives, except for the nonsense with converting units for money. I wonder, is it possible to make hero appearances in the tavern predetermined and synchronize them among players for completely identical setups?
Dirty_Player
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And I like the idea of new Griffin Conservatories and Dragon Fly Hives
Ihtiandr
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I think the main problem was the difficulty of generation. Now it has been solved, and I think a tournament on WT for SoD would generate considerable interest.
Lider1
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The idea may be good, but it was presented as: "people will definitely play mirror matches anyway, so they'll swallow new Griffins Conservatory/Dragon Fly Hives"
GoD
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The main problem, I think, was the difficulty of generation. That's already been resolved now, so I think a little tournament on WT under SoD would generate considerable interest.
Well, with the new Griffin Conservatories/Dragon Fly Hives it definitely won't generate interest, let alone on WT under SoD... with regular Griffin Conservatories/Dragon Fly Hives, I think it should attract a good number of players
Wicc
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As for me, I like the idea with new Griffin Conservatories and Dragon Fly Hives, apart from the nonsense of converting units for money.
Therefore, after some time, the idea of conversion for money emerged. At the same time, it sets a barrier against double-builds, because there isn't enough money to rebuild/buy out two castles, plus the conversion.
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The idea may be good, but it was presented as: "the people will play mirror matches anyway, so they'll swallow the new Griffin Conservatories/Dragon Fly Hives"
When any new feature that changes gameplay is introduced, there's so much squealing that you lose the desire to deal with it. And the ones who squeal the most are precisely the regulars of topics like "New stuff in WT." Specifically — you, LeBron, Sticky, Samurai, maybe I forgot someone else.
This is one of the reasons it's convenient to introduce new features as a whole package. Like it was with Anarchy, 3 new features at once: a new template + all-random + mayhem. Similarly with Diamond: a new template + a new time limit + minor stuff like linking ink rules to rating.
StickyFingaz
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well, compared to over 9000 players in Mirror, 4-5 dissenting voices are really insignificant. you shouldn't pay attention to us.
Javdet
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We already tried it without conversion — the Griffin Conservatories / Dragon Fly Hives immediately stop rolling, since you can't assemble a punch stack from them. As a result, balance decreases; double-build and external dwellings provide a strong, and, most importantly, a very difficult-to-counter advantage.
Therefore, after some time the idea of conversion for money came up. At the same time, this puts a barrier against double-builds, because there isn't enough money for rebuilding/purchasing two Castles and also for conversion.
Wicc
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By the way, another advantage of the conversion is a slightly different set of folders. At least three more heroes complement this not very diverse list. And Tamika, it's unclear how to defeat her if you give her time.
Or are you referring to Klancy? Well, he's not a very good hero. And Tamika is okay for other castles, but you still need Gosh to start with Necropolis.
Fafner, Rashka, Synka, and Yog are weak even with new skills, although I remember someone trying to make Yog work.
It's funny that Brogh becomes weaker with new skills, because spamming ducks is a boring task; Thazar looks more promising.
And Moner, of course, is a mega-hero. Flax generally improves with new skills.
Javdet
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I recently played with Klansi – a great guy. I didn't expect that 16 horses could tear apart a Utopia so easily.
Of course, Tamiku and Gosha can't be compared at the start, but if you get a chance to acquire Tamiku, you simply have to switch to her.
Of course, Tamiku and Gosha can't be compared at the start, but if you get a chance to acquire Tamiku, you simply have to switch to her.
Dirty_Player
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This is also why it’s convenient to introduce new features in a package. Like with Anarchy: three new things at once – a new template + allrandom + chaos. The same with Diamond: a new template + a new time limit + minor tweaks like linking the rules of черк to the rating.
What do you think would happen if you ran Chaos on full-WOG and Diamond on HotA – the new version with the new tenth Castle? Where would the participants send you?
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And in general, judging by the table of the group stage of the mirror tournament
the problem isn't related to the reasons described above. It can be seen that the SOD players, for whom this was something new, played almost all their games, while the VT players refused to play at all (although maybe the table simply hasn’t been updated). Apparently, the reason is that strong players are very afraid of losing in a mirror match because their ego will suffer, and they clearly won't be able to attribute the defeat to the map layout.
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