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Hello, HeroesWorld users. Please help create a mod for the city of Shalassa. I don't know how to create mods, and unfortunately, I don't have Maya.
Here's the idea: many players of Heroes of Might and Magic III wanted to see sea creatures in Heroes 5. Therefore, I suggest that we create this mod together.
Post your ideas, suggestions, and sketches regarding the Shalassa castle here.
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I mentioned that the idea of such a castle also occurred to me. As the main inhabitants of this castle, I envisioned lake elves. The reason is simple: they are mentioned in the Chronicles of Ashan, and it is at least known that this people helped the rebel elves of Tuidhana at one time. So, there is no need to explain their existence or weave them into the story; it has already been done. All that remains are additional, more subtle details.
Someone might say that there are also mentions of sea elves (a cultist bears their name). However, they are not present in the history; perhaps it is just an Easter egg, like the tank.
Another option: nagas. Unfortunately, there is something wrong with them. They actively participate in the events of "Heroes 6," but in the fifth game, there is only an uncolored model of them (although the model even has an animation). If they were to be made the main people, the question arises: where were they before this time, when such global events were happening throughout Ashan? Similar questions already arose regarding dwarves and orcs, but in the case of the former, the developers justified it by saying that dwarves are very peaceful, and orcs were obviously enslaved and did not have the physical ability to make themselves known. In the case of nagas, we would have to come up with some more excuses... That's not good. However, I would be glad to see them as a secondary people in some kind of aquatic faction.
There is also a lizard model in the game; in principle, that could also be done.
Although, these are not the main issues right now. The main thing is to implement the software capability to introduce at least some kind of castle.
 

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Naga are a repeat of Heroes 6; it's better to come up with something original instead of borrowing from somewhere else. I suggest creating a race not of lizardmen, but of Atlanteans.
We can assume that the Atlanteans, like the dwarves, are peaceful and didn't intend to interfere in any wars. Or perhaps they simply didn't know that anyone existed on land. However, if we think about the history, there could be some kind of biofuel in the depths of the sea, and, for example, mages might want to extract it, disturbing the Atlanteans, and thus starting a war.
As for their appearance, I think it would be better to rework the lizardmen from Heroes 3. I've already drawn some sketches for them, but I must admit, I'm not very good at imagining the city, and I'm no architect.
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I can't really picture a city, and I'm no architect.
The underwater city of the Gungans from Star Wars Episode I can serve as an example, as we could also add elements of Atlantis from Greek mythology to create an atmosphere. We could incorporate Hellenistic elements and make the faction playable only on water maps.

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It might be difficult to balance, but Shalassa is the wisest of the elemental dragons, and perhaps her people are the most religious in the world. Therefore, we could leave the race without 7th-level creatures and, instead, have an avatar of Shalassa appear at the beginning of the battle, corresponding to the hero's power.
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Basically, I wanted to create a 3rd upgrade for the 7th level Avatar of Shalassa. Regarding the environment for the Atlanteans: we'll need to create a new environment, for example, a ford or a lagoon, that is, an environment where a hero from any race could pass through. The balance shouldn't suffer because of the lore; the Atlanteans should be a regular race, not weaker, but also not stronger than others. I found a website for developing new towns for Heroes of Might and Magic III, and it had these sketches of towns.
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Here is the Atlantean army:
Basic 1st Upgrade 2nd Upgrade
Level 1 harpoon thrower _ master harpoon thrower _ hunter
Level 2 atlantean _ atlantean warrior _ atlantean pikeman
Level 3 nereid _ ice nereid
Level 4 shrimp _ avenger
Level 5 flying fish _ flying reiters
Level 6 palifico _ higher palifico _ bloodthirsty palifico
Level 7 sea devil _ kraken _ Avatar of Shallasy

Harpoon throwers are Atlanteans with harpoons.
Atlantean is a lizard from the tier 3 units.
Nereid is a water elemental from tier 3, but with a shooting staff, and can also cast spells.
Shrimp is a giant shrimp in armor (with shoulder pads and a helmet).
Flying fish is an Atlantean on a flying fish.
Palifico is a warrior made of coral.
Sea devil is a giant snake with ears (like the lizards in tier 3) and whale whiskers.
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Level 1 harpoon gunner _ harpoon master _ hunter

Harpoon gunners are Atlanteans with harpoons.
Atlantean is a lizard from the third tier.
Nereid is a water elemental from the third tier, but with a shooting staff, and can also cast spells.
Shrimp is a giant shrimp in armor (with shoulder pads and a helmet).
Flying fish is an Atlantean riding a flying fish.
Palifico is a warrior created from coral.
Sea Devil is a giant snake with ears (like the lizards in the third tier) and whale whiskers.
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Nereids (Ancient Greek: Νηρηίδες) are sea deities in Greek mythology, daughters of Nereus and the Oceanid Doris.

1. Perhaps not harpoon gunners, but harpooners.
2. Maybe make the Atlanteans look like humans, but just pale, tall humans with gills and webbing on their hands and feet (like Harry Potter from "Goblet of Fire" when he ate the gillyweed)?
3. The shrimp idea is great, but maybe choose a different name?
4. How about not duplicating water elementals, sea spirits, etc. with Nereids? Maybe make them like ancient Greek warrior goddesses ("sea Athena Pallada")?
5. Maybe not "flying fish," as it doesn't match the description, but "flying rider"?
6. And what about making the architecture in the style of ancient Greek ruins under a submerged dome? How does that sound?

All of the above is my opinion and suggestion.
Наш мир полон тайн и чудес.
Многие их ищут, многим они вовсе не нужны, а многие даже не замечают их, не понимают что они вокруг нас, каждый день, везде.
А эти чудеса порой, сокрыты в обычных, привычных предметах.
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More like harpooners than harpoon launchers.
I called them harpoon launchers because the dwarves already have harpooners.
Maybe make the Atlanteans look more like humans.
In Heroes, all races look like humans; we need some variety.
The shrimp idea is great, but maybe we could come up with a different name?
At least suggest a name.
As an idea, shouldn't we avoid duplicating water elementals, sea spirits, etc., with the Nereids? Maybe make them like ancient Greek warrior goddesses ("sea Athena Pallada")?
That's a good idea.
Maybe not a flying fish, as it doesn't match the description, but a "flying rider"?
I didn't express the thought correctly when I wrote it.
What about making the architecture look like ancient Greek ruins under a submerged dome? How does that sound?

That's a great idea; it would look good and would generally evoke the ancient Greek feel of Heroes 3.
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I called them "Harpoon Throwers" because Gnomes already have harpoon units.

Harpoon Throwers sounds a bit strange; maybe "Devastating Harpoons"?
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In Heroes, all races look like humans; we need some diversity.

I mean, fish-people or elf-fish (since there are so many humans).
Gemmo
At least suggest a name.

Okay, "Shrimp" isn't a bad name, but maybe it could be the name for an upgrade? And the regular shrimp could be called, for example, "Sea Guardians/Servants of Shalassa/???".
Наш мир полон тайн и чудес.
Многие их ищут, многим они вовсе не нужны, а многие даже не замечают их, не понимают что они вокруг нас, каждый день, везде.
А эти чудеса порой, сокрыты в обычных, привычных предметах.
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Harpoon launchers sound a bit strange; maybe "harpoon-striking" would be better?
Let's just forget about the harpoon! ) If we were to name them based on their weapon, humans would have swordsmen, sword-throwers, and harpoon-striking swordsmen at level three, as well as spearmen, spear-throwers, and harpoon-striking spears at level six. ) Let's move away from the weapon and find another characteristic to use for naming the creatures.
Okay, "shrimp" isn't such a bad name.
Crabb )
 

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I mean, fish-people, or fish-elves (since there are so many people).
No, let them look like lizards; after all, they aren't in Heroes 5.
Okay, "shrimp" isn't a bad name, but maybe it will be the name of an upgrade? And call the regular shrimp, for example, Sea Guardians/Shalassa's Servants/???
Shalassa's Servants is a good name, but Sea Guardians is better.
So, we'll do shrimp_sea_guardian_avenger
Forget about the harpoon already!
You're right; we can make the first level Electric Eels – moray eels with hands holding a trident; they will attack with electricity.
electric_eel_electrician_electrometer
Crabb )
I described that a shrimp is a shrimp, not a crab.
Note:
It's better to change Atlantean Spearman to Shalassa Soldier
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Gemmo

You are right, the first tier could be Electroshups - moray eels with arms and holding a trident, they will attack with electricity.
electroshup_turner_electrometer

The idea is good, but the upgrade names aren't very good.
P.S. Write down the characteristics of the creatures, the history of the race, etc.
Наш мир полон тайн и чудес.
Многие их ищут, многим они вовсе не нужны, а многие даже не замечают их, не понимают что они вокруг нас, каждый день, везде.
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The idea is good, but the names of the upgrades are not very good.
P.S. Write down the characteristics of the creatures, the history of the race, etc.
Yes, you are probably right :)

attack/defense/damage/health/speed/initiative/shots/mana

electroprobe 2/2/1-2/6/4/8/8/-
atlant 4/4/2-8/10/4/8/-/-
nereid 4/1/4-7/10/5/10/12/12
shrimp 8/4/4-10/25/3/10/-/-
flying fish 12/12/9-12/54/8/12/-/-
paliphico 18/18/17-22/80/4/10/-/-
sea devil 27/25/30-50/200/8/12/-/-

History of the race:
One of the 7 dragon gods, Shallassa, created the race of Atlanteans, but for many years no one knew about their existence, and they themselves did not want to come out.
One of the sea lords, Rozzar, wanted to disrupt the established order and establish trade with the land dwellers. He formed an alliance with the mages. The mages created devastating machines that extracted fuel. Everything would have been fine, but fuel spilled from one tank and polluted the sea, and to make matters worse, a collapse occurred. The neighboring lord learned that Rozzar was in alliance with the mages and reported it to the king. A war began.
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My idea for the race's backstory:
After the machines broke down, the Atlanteans mutated into lizards due to the spilled fuel.

And in the Atlantean city, as an additional building, there could be a broken magic pump that increases the growth rate of the Atlantean lizards.
What do you think?
Наш мир полон тайн и чудес.
Многие их ищут, многим они вовсе не нужны, а многие даже не замечают их, не понимают что они вокруг нас, каждый день, везде.
А эти чудеса порой, сокрыты в обычных, привычных предметах.
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My idea for the race's backstory:
After the machines broke down, the Atlanteans mutated into lizards due to the spilled fuel.

And in the Atlantean city, as an additional building, there could be a broken magic pump that increases the growth rate of the Atlantean lizards.
How does that sound?
Why are you so fixated on this? They were already lizards.
It would be better if you came up with a name for the Atlantean commander and a racial ability, knowing your imagination, you could easily come up with them.
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