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Wicc
So what prevents you from making noise yourselves?

If the WoT community is capable of self-organization in real life, and the SoD community only exists online, then it is logical that club championships are held for WoT.

You need to understand that no one is against club tournaments for SoD. I, for example, am strongly in favor – I came to your tournament and even defeated Matrosov.

That is, the question here is the availability of organizers and the quorum of participants. So, among the WoT players, Aztec, an organizer, and 40 people willing to come were found – there will be a championship.

Or are you embarrassed that the "CIS Championship" brand went to the wrong hands? Well, it is logical that the most representative tournament in terms of quantity and composition should bear that name.


Yur, I'm a SoD player, Mizrael, Skorp, Leha, Vitalik, so do we only exist online? ;)

I didn't believe in TE/WoT tournaments and I still don't. Sorry.

Regarding the brand, well, never mind... :D you know me, I'm not interested in that.

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Dirty_Player
I don't know who will travel from afar in summer or autumn? Unfortunately, there is no alternative to the May holidays. And 2 trips a year is too much.

I completely agree. Personally, I am convinced that with the advent of the HD mod, the game version is no longer important. If before, one could argue that WoT/TE has a convenient interface, now this advantage is gone, and SoD is competitive.

Ultimatums are issued by SoD fans who say: "Oh, WoT... there's no point in going." I am ready to play any version of the game, and I go to the CIS Championship not so much for playing Heroes, but for communication, meeting old friends and meeting new ones, as well as for getting to know another city (country) and other entertainment, which in the modern world is the primary factor of a good tournament.

Now, no one will travel to watch a beautiful game, now there are streams and broadcasts, people have already watched enough beautiful games of pro players.

In Moscow, there was just a tournament, without any additional atmosphere (as far as I understand from this topic). People will not travel from afar for this, so the tournament turned out to be a "Moscow local event", and the game version has absolutely nothing to do with it.


Dirty, everyone goes for communication, the game is secondary, the main thing is the Heroes brotherhood.

Regarding the atmosphere... well, has it ever been the case that the organizers didn't live in Moscow and St. Petersburg? In 2004, it seems that people improved their skills, got motivated – Kiev, Yekaterinburg, Krasnodar, they gathered to win prizes... this was a real showdown, and what do you think, only one person from Minsk and one from Yekaterinburg made it to the top eight, and in the top four there were only Moscow and St. Petersburg, and even they complained about how unlucky they were.

All CIS champions are Bayazet, Preds, Stinger... before that, in Krasnodar, there were Antal, Chaos and Andre... only Moscow and St. Petersburg, six champions – 4 from Moscow and 2 from St. Petersburg. No matter how much they write that this is not the case, that the capitals no longer rule, it is still true that they overwhelmingly rule.


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For now, I see the opposite. SoD players criticize WoT for the inappropriate behavior in the WoT chat, and SoD players say that SoD is garbage, reveling in the offense for the words they themselves said.
And at the same time, TrueWoT players are organizing a tournament in which there will be both SoD and WoT – this is an ultimatum.
And yes, it will be noisy.

P.S. Regarding Michurinsk, as far as I remember, the main reason for refusing to play was the mandatory entry fees, because the game version could be agreed upon for SoD.

Themich, let's sit down in the Armenian pavilion at VDNKh and discuss everything. My opinion is that it was the SoD players who did a lot for the Heroes movement, starting with Maniak, Chaos and Alan, and ending with Sam, Captain and me. These are face-to-face club tournaments. What did the TE players do at that time, you know better. :smile04: There is a wonderful guy, Merlin, a great person, there is Vik, a good judge, and that's it, IMHO. No offense, I will be happy if you have a decent tournament in Odessa. I don't believe in playing SoD and WoT simultaneously in one tournament, it will be like "…what, are you going to play SoD… lol… look here, we'll teach you how to play the most correct version in the world..."

In fact, there were many people from St. Petersburg in our city, at first they started criticizing SoD, sometimes fairly... then they started praising TE... also partly fairly... as a result of their work, TE was hated by all the Heroes community in Michurinsk.
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Yur, here I am, along with fellow SoD players Mizrael, Skorp, Leha, Vitalik – are we just confined to the internet?
You started the list correctly. And it ended with the 5th person, which is also telling.

But it's even more interesting to count the number of tournament trips to other cities in the last few years – I think I've made more such trips than all five of you combined. And the other SoD players have even fewer. Moreover, I'm far from the only one who travels like that.

So, the question is – who will the championship organizers cater to?

The issue of the game version should only be raised after ensuring the attendance of personnel. At least at the level of a declaration – "I will come if it's SoD."

Here's a specific situation – let's say that at Odessa-2013, it was decided to hold the championship in 2 brackets – SoD and Warlock. Can you bring 16 true SoD players? And not just those who have already signed up.
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Dirty_Player
At the first CIS final in Kyiv, the version was SoD, but almost all BT players showed up. :smile32:
Dirty, you heard a noise (I probably shouted the loudest :) ), but you don't know where it came from :)
In Kyiv, there were all versions - both SoD and TE and TE-light and BT.
They played on all these versions.
Everyone found a common language with each other.
There really wasn't a single quarrel about this (I think there was only one small quarrel overall, when Beshe wasn't sold beer at the kiosk :) and got punched in the face at the restaurant :) )

It doesn't matter which version - they'll figure it out themselves. It's great that more than 40 people are going to Odessa.
Ukraine is still attractive ;) - meaning, the venue is more important than everything else.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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NagaN, Eric, you’re really making a mountain out of a molehill. Lately, with the release of a full HD mod+, the versions have become so mixed that people don’t really care what they play anymore. The vast majority of Warlord Tournament (WT) players participate in all SOD tournaments (thanks to World!), so if some particularly stubborn “true SOD player” doesn’t want to play full WT, they’ll agree to play SOD or WT-lite, which is essentially the same as SOD.
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Dirty_Player
Ultimatums are issued by Soda fans who say: "Oooooo, Warlords... there's no point in even going." I am ready to play any version of the game, and I go to the CIS championship not so much for playing Heroes as for communication, meeting old friends, and meeting new ones, as well as for getting to know another city (country) and other entertainment, which in the modern world is the primary factor of a good tournament.
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P.S. Regarding Michurinsk, as far as I remember, the main reason for refusing to play was the mandatory entry fees, because the game version could be arranged for Soda.
There are two types of Omaha: high and high/low - the combinations are the same, I can play both types. In high/low, if I want to play in a major tournament and 320 BB is not a problem, but I don't even want to play high for 11 (it doesn't make sense, although the combinations are the same!)
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scorp
There are two variations of Omaha: high and high/low – the combinations are the same, I can play both variations. In high/low, if I want to play in a large tournament and 320 BBs aren't a problem, but even for 11 BBs I don't want to play high (it doesn't make sense, although the combinations are the same!).
No one is forcing you to do anything. Arguments about "what to play" have been less relevant for the past couple of years, lingering as a faint echo of past disputes. Everyone plays what they consider appropriate and doesn't pressure others.

You and Eric simply haven't noticed this due to the low activity.
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Wicc
No one is forcing you to do anything. Debates about "what to play" haven't been very relevant for the past couple of years; they're just a lingering aftermath of past arguments. Everyone plays what they think is best, and doesn't pressure others.

You and Eric just haven't noticed this due to the low activity level.
Do you see any pressure from me, or do you see me in any arguments about what's "better"? Or am I campaigning that Warlock is bad?

And what do you and Eric have to do with it? You don't seem to think in terms of herd mentality, so don't attribute that to me either; Eric and I have different views on this event.

In conclusion, does Odessa2013 offer a chance (or possibility?) to play on the HD mod (or, as they say, if you "agree," otherwise...)?

P.S.: THE MAIN EVENT (the tournament is secondary).
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Wicc
You started the list correctly. And it ended with the 5th person, which is also telling.

But it's even more interesting to count the number of tournament trips to other cities in recent years - I think it will turn out that I have more such trips than all five of you combined. And the other SoD players have even fewer. And I'm far from the only one who travels like that.

So, the question is - who will the championship organizers cater to?

The issue of the game version should only be raised after ensuring the participation of the players. At least at the level of a declaration - "I will come if there is a SoD tournament."

Here's a specific situation - let's say that in Odessa-2013, it was decided to hold a championship in 2 brackets - SoD and WoG. Can you bring 16 true SoD players? And not just those who have already signed up.

Yur, you messed up. I have 3 from St. Petersburg, 3 from Moscow, 1 from Krasnodar, and 3-4 from Tambov. If you count Mizrael or Skorp, then there are so many who came to my city for tournaments that it's impossible to count.
If you've traveled, say, 15 times, then yes, I respect you, but no more than me, Mizrael, and Skorp.;)

Just don't write that Michurinsk and Tambov are the same city, then don't count Kingisepp.

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KobRa_RR
NagaN, Eric, you are really stirring up trouble out of nothing. Recently, with the release of a full HD mod+, the versions have become so mixed that people no longer care what they play. The vast majority of WoG players play in all SoD tournaments (thanks to World!), so if some particularly stubborn "true SoD player" doesn't want to play full WoG, they will agree on SoD or WoG-lite, which is the same as SoD.

They may play SoD, but they bash it on the forums :(
"SoD is garbage, old-timers play WoG"

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Wicc
No one is forcing you to do anything. The arguments about "what to play" have not been very relevant for the past couple of years, they are just a lingering aftermath of past disputes. Everyone plays what they think is right, and doesn't pressure others.

You and Eric just haven't noticed this because of the low activity.

There's no point in arguing. I'll try to talk to Pete, the Muscovites, and other players. If it works out, we'll hold it in the fall or winter, if not, then it's not a big deal.
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Looks like there won't be any follow-up games with Matrosov: he's ignoring me on Skype, so there's no point in writing to him. Therefore, I think we can determine the outcome today!
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OK, then it’s up to Pete, and I think the award is well-deserved.
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Nagan-4
Yur, you messed up. I have 3 from St. Petersburg, 3 from Moscow, 1 from Krasnodar, and 3-4 from Tambov. If you count Mizrael or Skorp, the number of times they came to my city for tournaments is countless.
If you've participated in, say, 15 tournaments, then yes, I respect that, but not more than Mizrael and Skorp.;)
I wrote - "over the past few years." What happened in the old days is not so important; the modern history of club championships begins around 2009.

My record for the period 2009-2013 is: 3 from the CIS, 4 from Kingisepp, 3 from Moscow, 2 from Minsk, and 3 from Michurinsk. That's 15 in total. I'm not sure you can even match that, even taking into account the joint trips from Tambov and Michurinsk.

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Although, no, you probably can ...
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The distance from Michurinsk to Tambov is 74 km... that's almost an hour's drive!!!)))) We have a longer drive to the computer club, not to mention Moscow and their distances. By the way, it takes about 3 hours to get to Kingisepp. So, if we start counting, we could include the tournaments of Maniak, SGH, and others in the count) ))
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I haven't received anything in my email; I'm ready to take a look at the save file.