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Registered: 10/16/2007 6:22 AM UTC

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1/8/2013 12:36 PM UTC #260

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Nagan-4

2 Cobra.
Stinger won Chaos League tournaments on XL maps, has immense experience.
As for Pete, I don't know, I doubt he has that much practice.
I suppose they'll agree on what to play themselves.
But I'd really like to see it. )

Something tells me that if you give 3 HL templates and 3 L templates, and Jebus as the seventh, they will play exactly Jebus :D

Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того

Registered: 1/16/2008 4:35 PM UTC

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1/8/2013 2:38 PM UTC #261

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Shall we try to hold a SoD championship similar to the one being held for VT?
Gather the best players, with mandatory game broadcasts, a prize pool, and guest spectators. We'll think about it; I welcome any help, advice, and so on.

Something tells me that if you give them 3 HL templates and 3 L templates, and Jebus Cross as the seventh, they will play exactly Jebus Cross

2 Lider1. For now, it seems Petr is busy with his dissertation; he'll have time right after the defense, so we'll wait to see what they decide.

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Registered: 9/30/2008 1:42 PM UTC

Posts: 2,157

1/8/2013 2:46 PM UTC #262

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Nagan-4

Shall we try to hold a SoD championship similar to the one being held for VT?
Gather the best players, with mandatory game broadcasts, a prize pool, and guest spectators. We'll think about it; I'll accept any help, advice, and so on.

I am ready to take part in organizing such a tournament in Kyiv. With the help of more experienced orgs, naturally. There is an internet cafe, a hotel, a cafeteria, a sauna, etc. Everything is nearby, everything is compact. I have experience organizing events (not tournaments).

http://heroes3.tv/twaryna

Registered: 1/16/2008 4:35 PM UTC

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1/8/2013 3:04 PM UTC #263

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There was a championship in Kyiv three years ago, and everyone seemed to have good feedback about it. I wouldn't mind coming to your place, especially since Sergei Captain has invited me several times. I think we should definitely talk to the players first and invite all the best World of Xeen players, and not just them. So that we can fairly determine the best player. If you and Pete help, we can definitely put together a great tournament.

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Registered: 10/24/2007 10:09 AM UTC

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1/8/2013 6:13 PM UTC #264

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Dirty_Player

Question for Vitalik. Isn't it a bit early to give up? Couldn't you have taken the Golden Bow and the Griffin Conservatory? Maybe you could have held on a bit.
And one more thing. Why is the handwriting so terrible?

It's not about the layout here, but about the principle. Pete counted a restart 111 for me - when half the map was in water (Vic showed the bug), Pete said it wasn't described in the rules and that was my problem, which later prevented me from taking restart 113 (since we played three days of restarts in total). For me, Heroes is nothing more than a game, it's like an outlet, a part of life... and I didn't want to play against an opponent who, like a World judge, interprets the rules that way (just to win at any cost).

I decided, since the viewers are watching the stream, I would play until the opponent's hero appeared. But otherwise, despite the lousy start (building Golems in the Stronghold), I was going to take the Bow next turn, two trees, then experience up to 99 Minotaurs, and with Expert Earth there was a chance to take the Griffin Conservatory or into the second treasure zone, with Logistics it would have been quick - quite playable...

PS regardless of everything - Pete won deservedly.
Many thanks again to Nagan and a bit ashamed that everything was brought to us on a silver platter, and we, as hosts, did absolutely nothing for the guests...
And Megapes really made me happy, it immediately brought back memories of House's tournaments - nostalgia.

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Registered: 9/30/2008 1:42 PM UTC

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1/8/2013 6:22 PM UTC #265

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Nagan-4

Three years ago, there was a championship in Kyiv, and people seemed to have good feedback about it. I wouldn't mind coming to your place, especially since Sergey Captain has invited me several times.
I think we should definitely talk to the players first, inviting all the best Heroes of Might and Magic players, and not just them.
So that, in a fair manner, we can determine the best player. If you and Pete can help, we can definitely put together the strongest tournament.

I can take care of the logistical and organizational issues outside of the tournament itself: the venue, accommodation, meals, cultural program, coordination, etc. The tournament-related issues: inviting players, possibly holding some kind of qualifiers; developing the tournament rules, brackets, format, etc. – should be handled by experienced organizers. If the idea generates interest, we can organize everything at the highest level.

http://heroes3.tv/twaryna

Registered: 3/9/2008 1:45 PM UTC

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1/9/2013 4:02 AM UTC #266

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vitalic

...and I didn't want to play against an opponent who interprets the rules like a judge in World Cup – just to win at any cost.

HW judges have long concluded that the rules should not be interpreted in one's favor, but simply followed. And most players know the rules well and follow them independently, without the involvement of judges.
Personally, I had a similar situation in the Favorites tournament (where I am also a judge) last month. On turn 113, I found myself with a large amount of resources. The rules do not allow for restarts due to bugged generations; there are subjective restart options for this. I took turn 113, was left without any rests, and the situation wasn't favorable; essentially, I could have surrendered immediately. There wasn't even a thought of begging my opponent for a resource rest. What can you do? We have different understandings of what fair play and respect for the opponent mean.

Registered: 5/8/2009 8:21 PM UTC

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1/9/2013 6:08 AM UTC #267

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Pete, congratulations on your victory!!!

Удача любит подготовленных!!!

Стримы и обучение тут:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWlnXU5R5RLCMuWzIpBc65Q

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Registered: 6/17/2010 12:59 PM UTC

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1/9/2013 9:37 AM UTC #268

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The rules state that the game is played without water. And bugs are prohibited. If water appears, it's a bug, and since bugs are prohibited, it means restart :D
Honestly, this is the first time I've heard of not allowing a restart because of water... it's ridiculous.

Мой ник Heroes, и никто не вынесет меня
Скажу я вам, мои друзья.
Я некромант, я маг великий, и армия моя
Непобедимая, огромная!

Registered: 1/7/2010 6:51 PM UTC

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1/9/2013 10:48 AM UTC #269

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There are no rules regarding restarts due to buggy generation.

Why not?! :confused:
I agree: restarting in such an obvious bug situation is not a whim of one of the players, but a necessity! And, in my opinion, using a bug to your advantage is incompatible with the concept of fair play - let the generator be to blame, but opponents should have an equal chance of winning, otherwise there is no point in playing!

Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
(Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)

Registered: 10/13/2008 12:10 AM UTC

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1/9/2013 11:10 AM UTC #270

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I don't remember the exact details, but at Kyiv-2010, during the CIS championship, our current finalists faced a controversial situation in a match, and everyone was already congratulating Pete on his victory (according to the rules, he was right and had already won). However, Peter offered to replay the match 2 or 3 times (I don't remember why, either because of a bug or because Vitaly simply made a mistake, or something like an auto-win occurred). In the end, Vitaly won. And after that, this issue arises again?!

Who was there at the time? Maybe someone remembers the situation accurately? Please, let me know. Wicc should remember, as well as the guys from eBurg...

Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:

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Registered: 12/10/2012 3:41 PM UTC

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1/9/2013 11:37 AM UTC #271

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Matrosoff, let's finish the game on Saturday evening, how does that sound to you?)
Do you have Skype?

Num, I don't have ICQ, and I doubt I will have it in the future :D

I suggest that all three of us choose a time in this thread and write it down, like I'm suggesting Saturday evening, add each other on Skype if you have it, and definitely finish the game!

And regarding restarts, guys, you really have too many restarts...and I took advantage of that, because you all restarted unfairly...so much time is wasted on restarts, it's crazy...I don't understand how you can play like that)))
I'm used to 1 restart up to 113 in case of a very weak hand, or a buggy generation (buggy generation has always been considered a subjective restart according to WCL and Bulgaria), and that's fine...according to tournament rules, there are no humanitarian restarts for this...this is a tournament....but if the game is for fun, then why not...but it's up to you, in my opinion, it's a waste of time on these stupid restarts.

I think you need to be able to play any hand.

ICQ: 698753504

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Registered: 4/29/2007 10:30 AM UTC

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1/9/2013 12:09 PM UTC #272

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heroes13

If water appears, it's a bug; if bugs are prohibited, then restart the game :D

And what if, on a map like 8xm12, you find a water zone in the third week – will you also ask for a restart? :D
I don't know how serious the bug with the flooded zone is, but does it warrant a mandatory restart? On maps like the CMs, this is often very critical. Perhaps it should be added to the rules. But according to the current rules, there is no restart for water (or for buggy generations in general), so you have to play.

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Registered: 10/24/2007 10:09 AM UTC

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1/9/2013 12:09 PM UTC #273

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KostyaN

I don't remember the exact details, but at the Kyiv-2010 tournament, which was the CIS championship at the time, our current finalists had a controversial situation in a match. Everyone was already congratulating Pete on his victory (according to the rules, he was right and had already won), but Peter allowed them to replay the match 2 or 3 times (I don't remember why, either because of a bug or because Vitaly simply made a mistake, or something like an auto-cast), and in the end, Vitaly won. And after that, he's bringing this up again?!

Who was there at the time, maybe someone remembers the situation exactly? Please, let me know. Wicc should remember, as well as the guys from Yburg...

You are the one who is causing problems in the first place.

Well, as for the matter at hand, I try not to post on the forum at all, but out of respect for Duty, I answered his question...

P.S. Thanks to Eric, the tournament had no entry fees but had cash prizes. Perhaps this added some intrigue to the competition for first place....

and read my post carefully, I have no complaints about Pete, he won deservedly.

I hope we've closed this topic. If you don't calm down, write to me in a private message and don't play troll.

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Registered: 1/7/2010 6:51 PM UTC

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1/9/2013 12:49 PM UTC #274

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Dirty_Player

What if you find a water zone on the third week of a map like 8xm12? Would you ask for a restart then? :D
I'm not sure how much the bug with the flooded zone warrants a mandatory restart. On maps like the CM maps, this is often very critical. Perhaps it should be added to the rules.

Probably, if the flooded zone is discovered in the first week, and because of it, it is impossible to reach where you need to go, or there are no visitable objects/resources/artifacts, then a restart is needed, and it won't lead to significant time loss. However, if such a bug is discovered only in the 3rd week, then either it is not critical, or the game is already ending anyway, so there is probably no point in restarting.

Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
(Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)