Posts from [2x2 Tournament] Resurrection

I understand the frustration; it's annoying when a winning game is lost like that, but it's best to postpone the decision about disqualification until morning.

I'll also share my opinion. It was a clear victory for Dirty/LeBron, and a beautiful one at that. I'd like to see more matches like this. The coordinated teamwork and skill, which in this case manifested as knowledge of the nuances, were the deciding factors.

I disagree. From a rules perspective, everything is fine, but winning by exploiting a bug that few people know about (this isn't infinite ammo or viewing the opponent's castle garrison) is unsportsmanlike. And shouting on stream about how great it was is just facepalm-worthy.

Guys, you're all getting things mixed up – there are in-game mechanics that you can figure out on your own, and then there are obscure bugs that not many players know about, and you can use them to completely ruin any deck in 300 rounds for just 16 mana!
P.S. Please, in the future, don't bother me with your boring phrases about opponents not violating the rules. I also exploited one game mechanic to move to a neighboring respawn point, and I'm telling you, there was nothing about that in the rules; people started interpreting the rules however they wanted. So, it's just your opinion, and nothing more.

And the terrible bugs that not many players know about – did they come to them on their own? :D regarding these terrible bugs

Of course, this is just our opinion and nothing more.

I am 99% sure that you will not get anything in the "formal process," and not because the opponents are Lebron and Dirty, but only because there is no such prohibition in the rules. But after the incident, as Rebel already wrote, it may appear :D
In this situation, IMHO, it is better to accept it as an experience.

Okay, I'm stopping. Peace to everyone.

Let's assume this isn't a terrible bug, but a feature (although I still don't think it is). A feature like placing two-hex units on the tactical map, like some of the properties of the black orb, etc. Provide proof that this is a bug and not a feature. And it's incorrect to argue that few people know about this. There was a controversial moment with the finalist of the last Moscow tournament when he demanded that the game result be canceled because he didn't know about the properties of one-way teleporters. If he didn't know, then that's his problem. And what if it turns out that he didn't know that a Necromancer has the ability to raise skeletons after a battle, Priests raise demons, a hero with the "Logos" skill has more mana points, and Craig has a bonus to attack, and that's why he lost... Should the results be canceled? ))))) Learn the game mechanics! Especially since a lot has already been written about this. And as Medium already wrote in the chat, it's much harder to prohibit using this "bug" than to leave it as is.

What is this facepalm-inducing concept – a “feature”? Stop with this; a bug is a bug, and it needs to be fixed. I urge everyone, if you know of any bug, please report it to Baratorch so that he can remove it in the future. Regarding the topic, I agree with Satyr 100%.

From a fair play perspective, it's unsportsmanlike. And to shout on stream about how unfair it was is just facepalm-worthy.

But isn't Dirty Nick a Fair_Player? :D

Seriously though, how would you behave in a situation where you draw a weak hand against a very strong opponent? Would you sacrifice a unit so that the enemy units could "fairly" destroy it, in the spirit of fair play? And would you refrain from celebrating when you realize you've won the game?

Many finals were decided precisely because of the berserker's bug. From personal experience: 1) A game with Voland, seemingly in the Portal Cup. In the final, the berserker, surrounded by two-hex creatures, didn't kill almost anyone, resulting in a loss. 2) A game with Redwait in White Unicorn. The units under the berserker's control become sluggish and don't kill the angels; the initiative remains, and in the next round, the berserker wipes out the remaining enemy forces. There have been many similar stories, but for some reason, no one thought to challenge the result. Furthermore, imagine deciding to ban it – how would you formulate the rule? How would you distinguish between intentional use of the bug and accidental triggering? Besides, the game's bugs are also part of the game's mechanics that should be known; the Heroes engine behaves unexpectedly in many places. Moreover, this bug was described in detail.

I can understand the frustration, but the victory was absolutely legitimate. And, in general, it's not uncommon for final battles to be lost due to a lack of understanding of the game's nuances. For example, they tried to heal units that were rooted, and that cost them the game. P.S. After rewatching the replay, it became clear that the battle was won WITHOUT using the stop spell, due to the losing side's poor play. After that, they should be ashamed to write anything about terrible bugs. Great game, winning team!

Bugs are oversights by the game developers that were not identified during the testing process (captain obvious). Considering that we now have the opportunity to put SoD in order, remove many bugs, and reduce the number of rules and restrictions—this is what should be focused on, rather than keeping a coveted bug "to oneself" to take advantage of it at the right moment.

For those who need it explained, the described mechanics state that a unit under Berserk chooses the nearest target. If there are multiple targets, one is chosen randomly. If it's impossible to attack the target from the second hex, the attacking unit stops, and on the next turn, it must try to attack the target from the second hex again, which didn't happen in this case... From everything you said about how great it is, I can only highlight this: you really need to know the game mechanics very well to know how to trigger this bug in this buggy spell... consciously! At least that's what they said themselves, and if anyone doubts that it was an accident, that they just thought about it and decided what spell to cast on their stream, then the question is: which high-level player would cast Berserk on a bunch of their troops for 16 mana on one turn when they have Blind available for much less mana?!
P.S. I didn't hear anything new or interesting from those who responded.

Why even talk about it when you clearly lost the game, and it's unclear what you've been doing since. The battle was lost, even without using exploits. From this perspective, shouting about anything related to Haven is simply incomprehensible.

Even after watching the first round, it became clear that if anti-magic isn't used against the monarchs, the battle will be lost due to Berserk and Frenzy! The two-tile mechanic is well-known, as are the mechanics of Black Orb against Berserk, Blind, and other effects in Necropolis, as well as Armageddon against immune units! If you don't know some of the subtleties of the game and can't choose the best way to conduct the battle, that's the problem of the losing side. Don't belittle yourself and blame others for your own shortcomings, especially for simply not knowing these subtleties! Use anti-magic in the 3rd round, and there will be no problems with Berserk and other nonsense! All this whining about 53 lives against 115 for Goshan and other nonsense is a lack of respect for yourselves! Go to level 117 in Castle and kill these stupid angels before they become Archangels, and that's it! If you can't capitalize on good opportunities, blame yourselves!

Why even talk about it, you lost the game, and who knows what you've been doing since. The battle was lost, even without using the berserk ability. In this context, shouting about the Archangel is simply beyond comprehension.

but here, I apologize.
double fail)))
I watched the stream later, so I didn't quite catch the moment when the Vivs didn't attack while under berserk.
I just heard that they were under berserk – I thought they were standing alone and not attacking anyone.

but if you track that moment and draw conclusions, then:

1. cast Implosion and immediately buy 46 Monarchs (you had enough money), and then overwhelm the Arch with some combat stats and an Offense unit with armor, along with 2 Archs and a pack of Vivs.
2. cast Antimagic on the Vivs and continue attacking the Archs until they are completely eliminated, including mana, and then the Arch would have enough mana left for 1 summon ;). And there was also a stash with a Barbarian spawn, which couldn't be transferred because the portal mage, in a hurry, didn't buy it in the right place, and unfortunately, there were no bugged paths to the ally)))

so even the berserk was done with the expectation of their ignorance.
but without it, if there were any options in that battle for the red team, what were they? It would be good to justify such categorical statements, or not? :)

as for the Archangel, it wasn't my idea.
although at first, I thought that it was just a coincidence by the respected opponents.
so I wasn't particularly worried, it happens.
but if it was intentional, then it's a clear case of using game bugs, even if they aren't documented.
but in this context, it's more a matter of ethics than the tournament result :cool:

Let me give you an example. The rules of football don't prohibit feigning a foul and begging for a penalty. This is a "bug" in the rules, and it can be exploited, but the question is: does it contribute to the beauty of the game for the spectators? Is it really beautiful?

01/08/2013 23:11:34, Dirty_Player: In my personal opinion, this is a bug, and a serious one at that. It should definitely be banned. However, since there was no ban in place, I believe we used it completely LEGALLY. That's my stance.

Could you tell me... does the Conflux have a rule that prohibits the use of bugs, and if so, is there such a rule in the Stronghold?