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I'll share my thoughts, I suppose.
First of all, a huge thank you to Vic, who came up with what I should do for work (if not in an underground casino). It's a great idea. Moreover, it's feasible. And specifically in a show format.
The suggestion to record the game from both sides and then stream it online while adding commentary solves several technical difficulties on one hand, but on the other, it no longer feels like a live broadcast. Personally, I'm all for a completely live broadcast. The internet now seems—knock on wood—stable and high-speed, computers are sufficiently powerful, and besides, a live broadcast experiment has already been conducted and, own rumors say, some people actually enjoyed the nonsense I was spouting. But as correctly noted here: one person makes their move, while the other is wandering off somewhere. Time is wasted. Well, if five minutes are wasted, it's no big deal; I'll find something to entertain the public with. But if it's 10 minutes or longer, then that's not good. However, the players in the match will know in advance that they are playing for an audience, meaning they'll be working just as hard. So this problem can be solved through a mutual agreement.
For my part, I am ready to provide all possible assistance to this endeavor. But—I want to emphasize to everyone once again—this is actually very difficult. Especially the conversational genre, when there is no specific rehearsed or even written script. That's why Vic is absolutely right (loosely paraphrasing his words) that this work should be paid.
In principle, after a bit of preparation and consultation, I could host broadcasts not only for WT, but also for SoD (by the way, SoD has a wider range of random events and more room for quips in this regard).
And if we can gather 100-200 people on a weekend who are willing to spend 50 rubles each (and several payment options could be devised) to watch and listen (what I personally like as a hypothetical viewer is that you can listen in the background and turn on the image only when something truly interesting starts happening), then this venture has every chance of a future. Or we could do it via a channel subscription. In short, where there is demand, there will be supply.
Of course, on one hand, I'd like donations to be voluntary. But some minimum threshold must be established, since at least four people will be working: the person collecting money, the commentator, and two players (and essentially, each will be working a full workday).
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In essence, the main question is who is willing to pay how much for it.
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Essentially, the main question is who is willing to pay and how much they are willing to pay for it.
And how to pay without getting up from the couch – that’s also a question.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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Essentially, the main question is who is willing to pay how much for it.

If you like the voice acting, you'll be the second "Goblin," but only in Heroes of Might and Magic :D, and you know how popular the Goblin is.
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+ add a betting system to all this, with odds. Interest in watching streams will increase many times over.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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+ add a betting system to all this, with odds. Interest in watching streams will increase many times over.

That would be mega epic! In that case, you could even make the stream free, and the profit would come only from donations and a percentage from the betting system.
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I am willing to pay under the following conditions:
1. Strictly SoD (The Shadow of Death), no compromises.
2. The option to download the game, not just watch it online.
3. The entire game must be played from beginning to end.
4. The commentator must provide commentary throughout the entire game and remain engaged.
5. The game should feature well-designed maps.
6. Penalties should be at least twice the amount of the payment.
7. And finally, the players should be reasonably skilled. Preferably at the level of Maretti, Pete, Vitalik, or Alex.

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I'll probably chime in.
First of all, a huge thank you to Vik, who came up with the idea of what I should do (if not in an underground casino). It's a great idea. Moreover, it's feasible. And it's in a show format.
The suggestion to record a game from both sides and then stream it online and add commentary solves some technical difficulties, but it also means it's no longer the feeling of a live broadcast. Personally, I'm in favor of a completely live broadcast. The internet is now, knock on wood, stable and high-speed, the computer is powerful enough, and we've already had experience with live broadcasts, and, according to rumors, some people liked the nonsense I was talking about. But, as someone rightly pointed out here, one turn is transmitted, and the other is somewhere else. It takes time. If it takes five minutes, that's not a big deal; I'll find something to entertain the audience with. But if it takes 10 minutes or more, that's not good. But the players in the match will know in advance that they are playing for an audience, so they will definitely be prepared. So this problem can be solved through agreement.
For my part, I am ready to provide all possible assistance to this endeavor. But I want to emphasize again: this is actually very difficult. Especially the conversational genre, when there is no specific rehearsed or even written script. Therefore, Vik is absolutely right (I'm paraphrasing his words), that this work should be paid.
In principle, after some preparation and consultations, I could host broadcasts not only of Warlock's Tower but also of SoD (by the way, SoD has a wider range of random events and a larger field for banter).
And if we get 100-200 people on a weekend day who are willing to spend 50 rubles (and we can come up with several payment options) to watch and listen (what I personally like as a hypothetical viewer is that you can listen in the background and turn on the image when something really interesting starts to happen), then this idea has every chance of success. Or we can do it in a subscription mode. In short, if there is demand, there will be a supply.
Of course, on the one hand, I would like donations to be voluntary. But some minimum threshold must be set, since at least four people will be working: a payment receiver, a commentator, and two players (and, in essence, each will be working a full day).
I don't want to offend you, but where will you get 100-200 people? And even more so, who are willing to pay 50 rubles. Currently, around 200 people watch streamers who stream on sc2tv, and in rare cases, 300+. But at the same time, there are no more than 30-40 people in the chat (that is, these are potentially people who are willing to pay). Of these 30-40 people, half are schoolchildren and poor students who are not willing to sacrifice their breakfasts and lunches. So that leaves about 20 people - and even that is not a guarantee that they are willing to pay for it, especially since there are plenty of free alternatives, including two-sided ones. Crazy, Romario, Sticky, and I used to do this completely for free, and we did it not for profit, but because we enjoyed it. So, buying a Lamborghini will have to be postponed :D
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Mr. Vikk, are you serious about all of this? Have you already developed a plan on how to kill SK2TV and Twitch? :)

It makes me want to remember Vladimir Semenovich's song - "Funny! Not really funny!".

Even the idea of bringing Heroes of Might and Magic III to WCG doesn't seem so utopian compared to this.
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Qwerty
I am willing to pay under the following conditions:
1. Strictly SoD, no compromises.
2. The ability to download, not just watch online.
3. Strictly a full game, from beginning to end.
4. The commentator must be active throughout the entire game. No falling asleep.
5. Templates with a human touch.
6. Penalties should be at least twice the amount paid.
7. And the players should be at a decent level. Preferably the level of Maretti, Pete, Vitalik, Alex.
1. No one will force you to watch the WoT broadcasts. The game will be announced in advance, along with its rules and version. Ideally: if the broadcasts are weekly, then one week WoT, one week SoD.
2. I don't know how to download streams.
3. That's what we're talking about.
4. Of course, he won't fall asleep. But I suppose it's okay to take a break to get a drink or use the restroom. I don't think people were thrilled with the sound of chips crunching during my early streams. But those streams were just for fun.
5. Of course (although what is meant by this...for Dubrovin, "Jebus" is something with a human touch, but in my opinion, "Jebus" is not a template for Heroes at all...it's all subjective...and open to discussion).
6. Penalties for what? For not providing a broadcast when one is available, or something else? The money is always returned in full. What other penalties do you need? And in what sector of the national economy have you seen such penalties? I don't quite understand what you're talking about.
7. Of course, the games will feature top players - winners and prize-winners of various tournaments. Plus, we'll create a separate thread for this so that people can write which games they want to see.

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Mr. Vikk, are you serious about all this? - Have you already developed a plan to kill SC2TV and Twitch? :)
We are currently discussing the idea. I hope that professional IT specialists will also express their opinions. I believe that today there are enough technical means to produce the described targeted online broadcast. And I have the impression that Vikk is serious about this. Moreover, I don't remember him creating a separate thread just "to have a laugh." The idea is quite sound. How much it is needed now is what we are trying to find out.
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Why not? What is currently being offered for free (including by me) is essentially a completely non-binding show that is designed to entertain not so much the viewers as the streamer himself. :)
If it is possible to create a truly high-quality product, which will undoubtedly require some effort and time (from the organizers), then why not sell it?
Regarding payment, everything is indeed not very simple. As I see it, it would be good to introduce something like a ticket for any session with a fixed price. That is, you buy not a specific stream, but the opportunity to attend any. For example: I know that Alex and Pete will be playing on the weekend, and this game is definitely worth watching, but I'm not sure if I will have time for it. If a specific match is being sold, then I am likely to refuse, as I don't want to waste money. However, if a free ticket is sold, even if I don't make it to this game, my money won't go to waste, and I can just wait for the next stream of this level.
Here, you can also include marketing moves at the level of a bonus system, such as: "every third stream is free," "bring a friend and get a free ticket," and so on.
As a viewer, I am willing to pay a small amount, $1-2, for the opportunity to watch such content. Well, as a streamer, I'm unlikely to be of interest to anyone, haha

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Payment can be organized via SMS; it's accessible to everyone. Earlier in the text, user 7z mentioned that he knows how to do it. And, of course, web wallets (for those who have them). The totalizer option is interesting; it adds excitement through emotional involvement in the process. Also, if the betting volume is good, we could eliminate the viewing fee altogether and take a percentage of the bets. Regarding the software for broadcasts, I'd like it to have some kind of protection against outsiders. That is, the broadcaster should be able to configure a list of viewers. We need something like an individual ID, allowing only one viewer to log in at a time. Is there anything like that? Regarding the content, it's suggested to play something fast-paced, with constant action, without long periods of staring at the screen (as in 90% of games on large maps). For example, in Warlords, the time control could be something like 1000+400, and in Sword of Destiny, 4 minutes. It could be less, but players might find it unusual, and the number of mistakes could increase. As it is, the average time control provides both dynamism and a comfortable game duration. Regarding the time, it's probably best to do it in the evenings, starting around 8 PM and going as late as possible.

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I think it would be good to introduce something like a ticket for any session with a fixed price. That is, to buy not a specific stream, but the opportunity to attend any. For example: I know that Alex and Pete will be playing on the weekend, and that's definitely a game worth watching, but I'm not sure if I'll have time for it. If a specific game is being sold, I'm more likely to decline because I don't want to waste money. But if a free ticket is sold, even if I don't make it to that game, my money doesn't go to waste, and I can just wait for the next stream of that level.
Yeah, that's a good idea.
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Via SMS. If we're talking about services like short numbers, a significant portion of the funds will go to the provider of that service.
In my opinion, you could set up some WebMoney accounts...

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Wicc

In terms of content, I suggest playing something fast-paced that provides continuous action, without getting bogged down in staring at the screen.

As an option, you could play with a pre-prepared save file from the judge, to eliminate any imbalance in the setup on small maps, and also to avoid restarts.
For this format, I think it's quite suitable – it's not a tournament game after all.