Regarding the Violation System. — Suggestions and improvements.

Дубровин Павел

13 years ago

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In this topic, discussion of moderator actions is permitted, as long as it doesn't violate point 4.22 of the violation system.

I would like to raise the question of amending the Violation System... http://forum.heroesworld.ru/faq.php?faq=hw_help_system#faq_hw_help_system_violations

Therefore, I propose a poll...

Should the following points be removed from the Violation System (i.e., should they no longer be considered violations for which points can be awarded)?

4.1. - (For having more than 15% and less than 30% of irrelevant content in a message)
4.2. - (For having more than 15% and less than 30% of off-topic content in a message)
4.3. - (For having more than 30% of irrelevant content in a message)
4.4. - (For having more than 30% of off-topic content in a message)
4.5. - (For creating a duplicate topic on the forum)
4.6. - (For a message containing flame)
4.7. - (For a message containing trolling)
4.9. - (For any direct or indirect insults of users, third parties, or organizations)
4.15. - (For addressing other users using nicknames different from their original ones, if the user does not like this type of address)
4.22. - (For publicly discussing the actions of moderators, coordinators, or administrators)
4.23. - (For a false appeal)
4.24. - (For violating the appeal format (any extra messages in the appeal topic that contradict its format as described in the rules))

This does not mean that a Moderator (Coordinator) will not have the right to delete a post whose content falls under the above points.
But it does mean that Violation Points cannot be assigned for this... (of course, if this proposal is implemented).

Ment

13 years ago

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Flooding is difficult to moderate if it isn't off-topic. At least the first point can be removed. Leave the off-topic rule. It might be possible to express the point about percentages differently, but keep it. Leave the topic rule. Sometimes, people don't understand it right away, so it's good to have a reference to the rules in case of violations. Flaming and trolling. I'm not sure about this one; it's debatable. Of course, these points aren't entirely objective, but it's also bad without them, as all sorts of people show up. 4.9 Definitely keep. 4.15 In general, the previous point covers it, so it can be removed. 4.22 Keep it, of course. It could be clarified that it's possible in the appropriate section (dialogs with moderators). If it's actually possible. 4.23 and 4.24 – I would lower the points for these, although it's up to the Creator: he probably had a reason for doing it this way. --- You've put the discussion into two topics. Move it if something is wrong.

JustObserver

13 years ago

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Have there been any instances of misuse? If not, then let the moderators have an additional tool; they seem to be reasonable people and will figure out if they need to assign points. I am against canceling it.

нонстоп

13 years ago

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4.1. - (For having more than 15% and less than 30% of irrelevant content in the message)
4.2. - (For having more than 15% and less than 30% of off-topic content in the message)
4.3. - (For having more than 30% of irrelevant content in the message)
4.4. - (For having more than 30% of off-topic content in the message)

but people are just communicating)
and otherwise, it's fine)
Actually, I don't come here often, I don't participate in tournaments, I don't care:D
But I like to vote:D

ОMEGA

13 years ago

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While the first two points are somewhat ambiguous, the remaining points are quite clear. I think all of them should be kept. The reason is simple: if a moderator simply deletes messages without any punishment, there will inevitably be people who decide to spite him by posting more irrelevant content, engaging in trolling, etc., just to annoy him, since he deleted their post, let him keep deleting. But the moderator won't be able to punish them.

Marmot

13 years ago

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I would suggest assigning penalty points for the following violations:

4.5. - (For creating duplicate topics on the forum)
4.6. - (For a message containing flame)
4.7. - (For a message containing trolling)
4.9. - (For any direct or indirect insults towards users, third parties, or organizations)
4.15. - (For addressing other users using nicknames different from their original ones, in case the user does not like this type of address)

Regarding points 4.1. - 4.4: it's unclear whether anyone will bother with the calculations (and how should it be counted: in characters?).

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HwKeeper

13 years ago

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After the New Year, sections 4.1-4.4 will be modified, as they are too difficult to formalize, and at the very least, the percentages will be removed.

R55Max

13 years ago

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If the percentage-based system is removed, please leave the individual points as they are, because if, for example, an entire message contains irrelevant content, trolling, or flaming, it will be easy to identify. Moreover, not every harmless message that doesn't carry any meaningful content is penalized, which is perfectly normal.

Pit for LM

13 years ago

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I believe that for these points:

4.6. - (For a message containing flame)
4.7. - (For a message containing trolling)
4.9. - (For any direct or indirect insults to users, third parties, or organizations)points cannot be revoked.
There are cases where a user is "out of their mind" and spends several hours pouring their dissatisfaction onto the forum, filthily insulting others. The only option is to ban them so they can "come to their senses." Sitting around patiently cleaning up after such people and waiting for it to pass is a lack of respect for both our players and ourselves.
The art of trolling has been perfected by some of our forum members. A single "almost harmless" message like that can be followed by several pages of flame, escalating into mutual insults. And the troll seems to have nothing to do with it.

Победитель

13 years ago

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4.1. - (For having more than 15% and less than 30% of irrelevant content in a message)
4.2. - (For having more than 15% and less than 30% of off-topic content in a message)
4.3. - (For having more than 30% of irrelevant content in a message)
4.4. - (For having more than 30% of off-topic content in a message)
4.5. - (For creating a duplicate topic on the forum)

I would remove these points.

4.6. - (For a message containing flame)
4.7. - (For a message containing trolling)
4.9. - (For any direct or indirect insults of users, third parties, or organizations)

4.22. - (For publicly discussing the actions of moderators, coordinators, or administrators)

I would leave these.

4.15. - (For addressing other users using nicknames different from their original ones, in case the user does not like this type of address)

I agree with Ment here: insults will violate point 4.9, and anything else is unlikely to be offensive.

4.23. - (For a false appeal)

Leave it.

4.24. - (For violating the appeal format (any extra messages in the appeal topic that contradict its format as described in the rules))

But I would remove this as well. I think that the more people express their opinion, the fairer the decision will be.

Initially, Dubrovin Pavel also suggested removing this point:

For using vulgar and offensive language in your nicknames, avatars, messages, and signatures, 10 violation points

I think it is possible to remove the ban on using profanity in messages. That is, as with irrelevant and off-topic content, such content will be removed, but points will not be issued. Then the system will be closer to the current situation on the forum.

Qwerty

13 years ago

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I agree, we definitely need to increase the penalties for almost all of the listed violations. First and foremost: 4.6. - (For messages containing flame) 4.7. - (For messages containing trolling) 4.9. - (For any direct or indirect insults towards users, third parties, or organizations) 4.22. - (For publicly discussing the actions of moderators, coordinators, or administrators). Whether trolling should be punished immediately with 100 points, or if it should be slightly less (e.g., 80) is a matter for discussion.

Zybr

13 years ago

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I think it would be possible to remove the ban on using profanity in messages. That is, just like with flooding and off-topic posts, such content will be removed, but no points will be deducted. Then the system will be closer to the current situation on the forum.

O_o
No, I understand that flooding and off-topic posts can be quite harmless, but profanity definitely cannot.

Whether trolling should be punished immediately with 100 points, or whether it should be a little less (for example, 80) - this is a matter for discussion.

It could be raised to 30-50, but not to 80. It's harder to prove trolling.

Dubrovin Pavel, did some moderator offend you badly? Insulted you? Intentionally and unfairly gave you points? Why do you keep suggesting these measures every time? The moderators who are actually keeping order are already almost driven into a corner. What kind of forum do you want to see? Something like Lukmorie? Or still a good and cultured forum?

There are cases when a user is "not in his right mind" and pours out his dissatisfaction onto the forum for several hours, rudely insulting others. The only option is to ban him so that he "comes to his senses." Sitting there patiently cleaning up after such people and waiting for them to calm down is disrespectful to both our players and ourselves.
The art of trolling has been perfected by some of our forum members. After one such "almost harmless" post, several pages of flame can follow, turning into mutual insults. And the troll doesn't seem to be involved at all.

Exactly. And sometimes it was really necessary just to patiently clean up, and any more decisive actions resulted in rivers of tears from supposedly offended users, half of whom were simply advanced trolls. And almost every time, the moderator was punished somehow.

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Победитель

13 years ago

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Zybr

O_o
No, I understand that flooding and off-topic discussions can be harmless, but profanity definitely shouldn't be.

Nevertheless, points are rarely awarded for it.

Qwerty

13 years ago

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Yes, I agree, 100 points should be deducted for using inappropriate language. No less. There is no place for this on our forum.

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Zybr

13 years ago

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Winner

Nevertheless, points are rarely awarded for it.

So what? Why should this "rarely" invalidate the rule itself? In this case, everything works correctly: there's no need to award extra points for such an offense, but if an incorrigible spammer appears on the forum, how do you deal with them?