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Yegor Korobeynikov
Please explain what it means to prove oneself verbally.

Women have a saying: "sometimes it's easier to give than to explain why you can't." The same applies here. Write, sir, and your reader will find you.
Хаос - это порядок, которым сложнее управлять.

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Piterius
Women have a saying: "sometimes it's easier to give than to explain why you can't." The same applies here. Write, sir, and your reader will be found.
And good luck to you. This is my last word. No one from the AK will support your position on this issue; I'm somehow sure that all the people whose opinions matter on the forum are 100% on Vitaly's side...
When a person can't explain something, it's usually because they're too lazy. Most likely, they either have nothing to explain, or their explanation is complete nonsense. But everyone has the right to express their opinion about this situation. I just wanted to say that Vitaly is 100% right, so you don't feel offended or defeated in an unfair fight. Even though I'm a noob, I can still express my opinion.
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Checked the save. It doesn't seem too bad; there's a noticeable loss of momentum in the early game, but it only takes about a day to fix the overall build. And it's not even certain that upgrading the harpies is a bad move.
He probably gave up out of frustration, because it's not certain that his opponent has a better position. And worse situations have been salvaged; it was worth fighting for.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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I still want to correct people, especially regarding the alleged "greedy bourgeois" behavior. In many international tournaments, there is an option to request a restart due to an "extremely bad map." In particular, this was the case in ALL tournaments on the now-defunct L-o-he platform. Because it's fair play. In the final of the World Championship, Alex asked for a rematch against the Dane on Jebus (although they later played an additional game). In another tournament, Maretti requested a rematch. This is a completely normal practice. But it's up to the player; strictly speaking, if a player understands that they have little chance, they may choose not to request it.
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Javdet
Guys, what are you even arguing about?
It was the decisive game, we were left without restarts, especially since we thought of playing Jebus Cross (we might as well have flipped a coin in the chat). There's also such an important thing as playing on restarts, which is also an art of sorts; sometimes you can bluff, sometimes you calculate the last restart for a chocolate. By mutual agreement, we played a coin flip, one won, the other lost. What's there to be offended about now? And in a situation with one of the foreigners, would there have been complaints? Their nobility isn't exactly held in high regard.

I recalled a situation:
We were playing in a team match; with my victory over Great Sasha, I could secure the team's win in a very tough game. He chose restarts and got something so bad you couldn't even call it... well, anything good. I gave him a fair restart, after which he capitalized on a good setup, and in the end we lost.
Question: did I do the right thing or not?
My answer — I showed weakness

You didn't show weakness; winning by the laws of valor doesn't always work out:). The team's interests were at stake there, and you had every right not to give a restart, but your character wouldn't let you win that way. You did the right thing from the perspective of mutual interest in the gameplay, but to the detriment of the team's interests.

On the substance of the issue — I wasn't the one who chose Jebus Cross, and flipping the coin wasn't my idea either; all I had to do was accept that decision. There are no hard feelings here. I wasn't going to write anything at all, but questions and opinions started pouring in, and I got curious about what everyone thinks, what their perspective is. Moreover, these deep arguments, reasonings, and guesses about falling into the mud, searching for chocolate, and the epic conclusions of self-taught wits specializing in Jebus Cross are probably important too. The situation is perfectly clear from the rules perspective as well. Write away; these kinds of situations sort of reveal the essence, which not everyone understands the same way.

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Egor Korobeinikov
And good luck to you. My last word. I'm somehow sure that no one from AK will support your position on this issue, that all people whose word carries any weight on the forum are 100% on Vitaliy's side...
Well, when a person can't explain, because they're too lazy. Most likely, either they have nothing to explain, or their explanation is complete nonsense. And everyone has the right to express their opinion regarding this situation. I just decided to say that Vitaliy is 100% right, so that you don't feel offended or defeated in an unfair fight. Even though I'm a noob, I can express my opinion.

And it's too much trouble to explain, and pointless.
Note an important point — I didn't call you a noob; that's your own personal opinion of yourself. You certainly have the right to speak your mind; I only made a request, not a ban or an ignore.
Хаос - это порядок, которым сложнее управлять.

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I reviewed the save file. Here's what I have to say. First, it's not a complete blockade because there's a road in another direction, and the blockade can be bypassed. Regarding the overall situation, it's certainly unpleasant to see this, especially when you're out of restarts. But even if we postpone dealing with the cyclops until turn 113, the game still continues. First, it's the final game, and you have to fight regardless. Second, it's no secret that it's Inferno, which means you can make up for those couple of days. Third, we don't know the opponent's situation; maybe they also have a blockade or just a bad setup. In the end, there might be such a game-over scenario that they won't be able to continue into the second week. Fourth, the opponent might just give up, miscalculating their strength and not being able to handle the pressure of the game. Fifth, as A. Alekhine said: "It's never too late to give up," but it doesn't have to be on turn 111. Overall, Petya gave up too quickly. IMHO, he should have calmly assessed the situation and decided whether to fight (not just play, but actually fight).
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Petya, you're a good player; you just made the right decision to concede because you were getting emotional. It's okay, relax; it happens. You can only be upset with yourself.
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Oelm
In many foreign tournaments, there is an option to take a break due to an "extremely bad map."
That's nonsense. Then what's the point of regular restarts? To generate favorable conditions? :confused: Let's just go to the extreme and restart until we get a map that suits both players.
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It's not very appropriate to call real facts "nonsense." The reason for this is another question. Perhaps it's to ensure that the winner is determined on the battlefield, not by chance. And it's worth remembering that they have fewer restarts – 1-2 days.

But overall, it's a bit unpleasant to read about how some people get upset at the thought that their opponent might get a good item.
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Dirty_Player
I looked at the save. What I want to say. Let's start with the fact that this is not a block, because there is a road in another direction and the block can be bypassed.
Show how it can be bypassed?:)
Dirty_Player
As for the situation as a whole, of course it's unpleasant to see something like this without any restarts left. But, even if you postpone breaking the cyclopes until week 1 day 13, the game still continues. Firstly, it's a final match and you have to fight in any case. Secondly, it's no secret that it's Inferno, so those couple of days can be made up. Thirdly, we don't know the opponent's layout, maybe they also have a block or just a bad layout. After all, there could be such ГО that he won't come out on the second week. Fourthly, the opponent might simply throw the game, having miscalculated their strength and not withstanding the tension of the game. Fifthly, as A. Alokhin said: "It's never too late to resign," you don't have to do it on day 1 week 1. In general, Petya was hasty to resign. IMHO. It was necessary to calmly assess the situation and decide to fight (not just play, but actually fight).

Also asking the opponent on their turn how things were, got the answer "not great" and proposed a mutual restart. When 7 heroes were bought and this layout was revealed from the dwelling, the opponent replies that no, there is an external dwelling of devils and everything is fine, like) Bluffer:)
What is there to fight for? To upgrade harpies, take the external dwelling of eyes, and even if an external dwelling of dragons is found, the chance of them appearing in the portal is only 50%. It clearly read a loss of tempo in terms of expansion, building order, and army strength. Just fighting, waiting for an opponent's mistake when they already know you're not doing so well, would have been foolish.
Хаос - это порядок, которым сложнее управлять.

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Piterius
Show how it can be bypassed:)
Sorry, I didn't see it. I thought you could go past the crypt next to the external dwelling of eyes.
Piterius
What is there to fight for? To upgrade the Harpies, take the external dwelling of eyes, and even if an external dwelling of Dragon Flies happens to be found, the probability of them appearing in the portal is only 50%. A loss of tempo was clearly evident here, both in terms of scouting, development, and army strength. Just fighting, waiting for the opponent to make a mistake when he already knows you're not in a good position, would have been foolish.
Well, upgrading Harpies is not the worst move. Many upgrade them on week 1, day 1 for scouting speed. In general, happiness is not in Dragons or portals. There are also Griffin Conservatories, Dragon Fly Hives, other external dwellings, artifacts, Pandora's Boxes. For example, 4 external dwellings of Troglodytes and something else with a portal would provide a decent amount of fodder. Plus, a lucky level-up for the hero or buying the right one could also have made a difference. You can come up with plenty of examples. But in this particular situation after the block, everything was within normal limits.
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A lot has been written, but I don't understand one thing – why are wins on turn 111 being posted?
I understand that this can be done if the opponent says they don't want autosave or restart, because they don't take them on principle.
The goal of tournaments, as I have always believed and still believe, is to identify the strongest player in the GAME, not based on restarts, surrenders, or anything else.
In addition, the game should be interesting for both sides. Some people like to get out of a difficult situation to feel proud of their victory, some people just want a moderate situation, and some want an easy game, but there should be a game, not just posts about winning on turn 111.
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=Stinger=
A lot was written, but one thing is unclear to me - why post wins on 111?
I understand that this can be done if the opponent themselves says they don't want an autosave or restart because they refuse them on principle.
The goal of Tournaments, as I have always believed and still believe, is to identify the strongest player in the GAME, not based on restarts, throwing, or anything else.
Plus, the game should be interesting for both sides. Some like fighting their way out of a tough layout so they can feel pride in the victory, some just need an average layout, some want "chocolate," but there must be a game, not posts about victories on 111.
The game already starts with restarts and, as was said, if no restarts are left, then you eat what you're given. I fully support Vitaly. Besides, the layout isn't the worst; there is an air book and a dragon external dwelling at the respawn. And within one move's reach, there are 4 Dragon Utopia.
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Dirty_Player

Upgrading Harpies isn't the worst move. Many people upgrade them on 111 for faster map clearing speed. In general, happiness isn't about dragons or portals. There are also Griffin Conservatories, Dragon Fly Hives, other external dwellings, artifacts, Pandoras. For example, 4 external dwellings of Troglodytes and something else with a portal will provide decent cannon fodder. Plus, a successful hero level-up or buying the right one could also have made a difference. Tons of examples can be thought of.

You can think up anything you want, any number of examples, but in reality none of this was visible, only a Dragon Fly Hive for the Horde of Lizardmen, Harpies still needed to be built, the Tactician didn't come. The party couldn't be won further just by force of imagining goodies.
Dirty_Player
But in this particular layout after the block, everything was within normal limits.

Except maybe the tempo.
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A lot has been written, but I don't understand one thing - why are wins on turn 111 posted?
I understand that this can be done if the opponent says they don't want autosave or restart, because they don't take them on principle.
The goal of tournaments, as I have always believed and still believe, is to identify the strongest player in the GAME, not based on restarts, surrenders, or anything else.
Plus, the game should be interesting for both sides. Some people like to get out of a difficult situation so that they can be proud of their victory, some people just want an average situation, some want an easy game, but there should be a game, not just posts about winning on turn 111.
This is more about the season...
In a tournament, if you wait for your opponent to get a good setup and give them Gum restarts when you don't have any restarts left, you probably won't win even once.

As Gomunculus said, some people are almost always less lucky with the setup, and you have to accept that.

лето 2012.