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I'll upload only the Jebus save for now... I'll upload the saves of the other games during the day...
I'll add from myself that when my opponent told me there was a block and either a GG or a gum rest there, I opened the game as the opponent... I recruited Lacus from the tavern and used him to take the chest, leveled up Tactics, and on day 112 with gr Harpies broke the Cyclopes with a loss of 10-20 Troglodytes and 4 Gnolls... if you break it on day 113 with built Eyes and their external dwelling but without Tactics, the block also breaks normally...
Some people wrote here that 1-2 days are critical for Jebus, I agree with that, but it's still playable!! several times due to blocked roads I couldn't build important structures, for example on day 117... the opponent used all his restarts right away, then I took my 3. I also took a risk on an unfavorable shuffle... I think in FB the players' skill isn't that different and a lot depends on the shuffle, so I was luckier! why should I give a restart if a situation might occur where the opponent gets a chocolate shuffle and I don't, and I lose... but I didn't want to just post such a win either, so we flipped a coin... it came up heads and I won...
P.S. in the second game on 8mm6a my respawn was small, and in the Dungeon the road was immediately blocked by ГО from Liches... we didn't replay... in the end I barely built the Cavaliers in the Citadel due to a lack of money, while the opponent got Behemoths in the Castle and the respawn was better - with 2 Griffin Conservatories and an external Behemoth dwelling... it's just a matter of luck.
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Was it possible to exit the Castle in any direction?
I mean, not just in one direction, within a single step?

лето 2012.
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Yesterday, during the game, Gomunguls and Piterius approached me regarding this issue.
I immediately reviewed the save file.
4.5. Restart due to a strong block, if the block cannot be bypassed and the block cuts off the Castle from the main part of the starting zone, leaving no opportunity for development up to the block. Applies up to turn 112, inclusive.
The strength of the block is primarily assessed by the player who reported the block, then by their opponent, and if there is a dispute between the players, by the host/judge/admin.
If subjective restarts remain, a subjective restart is used at the player's choice (i.e., turn 112 can use the remaining restart from turn 111).
If subjective restarts are exhausted, the player has the right to request an additional restart.
There can be no talk of a block in light of our rules; the Cyclops are positioned along one of the paths and do not cut off anything; they can be overcome in a couple of days without any losses, and the second path is free.
It cannot be said that the game was a failure (although, personally, I rarely have better luck on Jebus, and the secondary Swamp is also not bad). Piterius requested a Gum restart. Vitaly thought about it for a long time, but he can also be understood; it's a random game, and the next generation could be much better, especially since this is Jebus.
Honestly, I can't understand such situations. I wouldn't be able to post a victory after receiving a Gum restart.
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To be honest, I can't understand such situations. I wouldn't be able to post a victory after receiving a game restart. Pit for LM I absolutely agree with Petya, especially when it comes to tournament play. Therefore, I think Vitaly and Pyotr (Peterius) did the right thing by agreeing to end the game, and they saved time. Besides, they are both quite strong players, and they will play against each other 5 more times and win against each other!!!!


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Honestly, I can't understand situations like this. I wouldn't be able to post a victory after receiving a hum rest.

Honestly, I also don't understand why twist it in different directions? This rest cannot be called either 100% block or 100% hum. If it weren't for Jebus Cross, but SM or MM6, no one would have mentioned it. The point here is that a handicap of 2-3 days in Jebus Cross cannot be overcome with roughly equal skill. You might think that if in the next generation the opponent also got a block and I didn't give a rest? Yes, I'm evil, of course.
This rest is not due to a throw or a blunder. If I had won after this additional rest, would I have posted the victory? I would have, because it would have been a game, enjoyment, action, not a coin toss or the will of the generator. Especially since this is an important tournament. This is the first time I've heard of a strong player, claiming to be the best, being afraid of the generator. Thank God there are rules that cannot be argued with.
Хаос - это порядок, которым сложнее управлять.

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both games were played without restarts, and I enjoyed them, but in 8mm6a there was one sad moment when my angel was killed during a very fun battle...
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Honestly, I don't understand why you have to twist things in different directions either. This restart can't be called 100% a block, nor 100% a fuck-up. If it weren't Jebus Cross, but SM or MM6, nobody would even bring it up. The point here is that a 2-3 day advantage in Jebus Cross is not recoverable with roughly equal skill. Should I think that if in the next generation the opponent also got a block and I didn't give a restart? Yes, I am indeed mean.
This restart isn't due to a throw or a blunder. If I had won after this extra restart, would I have posted the victory? I would have, because it would have been a game, enjoyment, action, not a coin toss or the will of the generator. Especially since this is an important tournament. This is the first time I've heard of a strong player, claiming to be the best, being afraid of the generator. Thank God there are rules that you can't argue with.

If you love action so much, why didn't we replay on 8mm6a, when I told you on the 2nd turn that the main road was blocked by ГО?
Maybe I should have quit and said your own words...that it's the first time I've seen such a strong player not give a restart...or something like that
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I'm hearing this for the first time – that a strong player, claiming to be the best, would be afraid of a generator.
Do you think the strongest player should always play in a way that gives a weaker player an advantage? Or make concessions? You gave up the generator, losing 1 day of tempo; you should have understood this and attacked on turn 112, surrendered, or played accordingly. Instead, you lost on turn 111, knowing you couldn't win after that, and started spamming units.
You claim to be the strongest, and you would have pulled off a losing situation. Why should Vitaly flip another coin in the form of another generation? You get an "uber chocolate" (a very good resource), and he just gets "chocolate" (a less good resource), and you win and write a report (that would be a real victory worthy of a champion...).
You are contradicting yourself.
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When a player consciously chooses to take all the rests, shouldn't they be prepared for something like this? Especially since this is Jebus.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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If you love action so much, why didn't you rematch on 8mm6a when I told you on turn 2 that the main road was blocked by a Guardian?
Maybe you should have also gone out and said the same thing... that you're seeing for the first time a strong player not giving a rematch... or something like that.

What Guardian? There are no Guardians in Might and Magic 6. Your generator didn't place a road to the computer's base; you had to find a way through the wilderness, and only one road led to the center. I've played in this situation many times, and in most games, it's a loss.
But remind me, did you ask for a rematch? Did you write that you had nothing to do on the rematch and nowhere else to go? Did you write that this block couldn't be broken in the first week? But most paths to the center are completed in the first week without much difficulty. If you had said that it was unplayable, we would have rematched. I haven't refused anyone a rematch yet. This situation is different; it's only similar to that one. And now I understand that you were kind of keeping it in mind. Okay. Let's assume that's the case.:smile17:

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According to you, should the strongest player always play in a way that gives a weaker player an advantage? Or make concessions? You got a generator that gave you a -1 day tempo advantage; you should have understood that and attacked 112, surrendered, or played accordingly. But instead, you lost on 111, knowing that you couldn't win after that, and then asked for a rematch.
You claim to be the strongest, and you would have pulled off a losing situation. Why should Vitaly flip another coin in the form of another generation, get a super-good hero, while he just gets a good one, and you win and write a report (that would be a real victory worthy of a champion...).
You're contradicting yourself.

I ask those who haven't proven themselves either in combat or in verbal arguments to refrain from commenting on this situation.
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Piterius

I ask those who have not proven themselves either in combat or in verbal arguments to refrain from commenting on this situation.
Please explain what it means to prove oneself on a verbal level.
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In my opinion, on Jebus Cross, such blocks along one of the roads almost always exist (and the blocks are often stronger in most cases). This doesn't even smell like a restart or a loss of tempo... Loss of tempo... is when you have something to lose, for example, you're pushing along 1 road (no other way out) and on day 3 you run into 40 Vampire Lords that you can't bypass, and you only have melee units and no oil and no way to level up your hero, and they'll either eat you completely or wipe you out — that's a loss of tempo!
Besides, what's the point of a merciful restart with no remaining restarts? Is it to give a hand to someone who has fallen into the mud, who will stand up with your help and then immediately throw you into that same mud?

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When a player consciously chooses all restarts, they should be prepared for something like this, shouldn't they? Especially since this is Jebus Cross.
Yeah, I don't understand what happened???!!!!!!!!!! Didn't like the respawn??????????????? It's an absolutely normal game situation... You're overreacting!:smile09:

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Guys, what are you even arguing about? It's a decisive game, there are no more restarts left, and they even came up with the idea to play Дже (they could have just as easily tossed a coin in the chat). There's also another important thing: playing with restarts, which is also a kind of art. Sometimes you can bluff, and sometimes you can rely on your last restart to get a good outcome. By mutual agreement, they played a coin toss, one won, and the other lost. Why be offended now? And in a situation with someone from another country, would there also be resentment? Nobility isn't valued there. I remembered a situation: We were playing in a team game, and with my victory over Great Sasha, I could have ensured the team's victory in a very difficult match. He chose restarts and got such a bad outcome that it can't even be described. I gave him a gum, after which he implemented a good strategy, and in the end, we lost. Question: did I do the right thing or not? My answer: I chickened out.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Why are you bothering the moderator like this? You should always give Gumrest in such a situation on Jebus – I won’t talk about another template. You can play almost anytime. It’s strange that players of your level can’t understand this and resort to contacting the judge over such a trivial matter – were you playing for money or just trying to be difficult?
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Why are you bothering her like that? You should always give a "gumrest" in such a situation on Jebus – I won't talk about other templates. You can play almost anytime... It's strange that players of your level can't understand this and resort to contacting the judge over such a trivial matter – were you playing for money or for a comfortable seat?
If you're playing a faction, there are no problems. Although, I'm all for always playing by the rules...
Of course, you played well, carried the group stage (although those guys who are in Facebook groups probably didn't have any problems), then carried the playoffs, spent a lot of time, energy, and nerves. You made it to the playoffs, then gave 1 "gum rest" and lost, but you weren't given one (by another player). As a result, you ended up in some unknown place, having spent a lot of time, nerves, and energy. The player has 3 days for resources, and if they only spend them on bad setups and not on finding good ones, then such situations won't happen.
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