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Huanito
...thanks to Pit for LM that allowed my participation in this tournament.Thank you all for warm welcome and good luck to all players in next stage of tournament.See you on some of next tournaments.
Thank you too, see you.

Group O
1. PReDS Inferno
2. bRitvo4kA Stronghold


Group I.
Dawidu91 - BlooDy)DriVeR 0-1, tech result due to Dawidu91's refusal to continue.
1. twaryna Fortress
2. BlooDy)DriVeR Necropolis
, by personal meeting with StickyFingaz (tiebreaker is the same)

Regarding collusion results.
Yes, collusion happens in almost every tournament with groups or Swiss format. The organizers are absolutely powerless to influence this. It's impossible to forbid it, or force people to play / play at full strength. Even if the organizer sits and watches the stream, there's nothing easier than to throw the game and surrender after all resets. Any bans and rules will lead to deception, and that's even worse.
But there is a remedy for the players - you simply need to win all your games, then no collusion will stop you.

Specifically - Group P.
Let VanjaM - GoedenDag be 1-0 (tech).
OUTLAW - darkello scenarios:
- 0-1 - darkello advances from 1st place, OUTLAW from 2nd;
- 0.5-0.5 - OUTLAW advances from 1st place, darkello from 2nd;
- 1-0 - OUTLAW advances from 1st place, Oelm, VanjaM, darkello each get 2 points with the same tiebreaker - 2.
Personal meetings also give nothing. The next criterion is tech wins, VanjaM loses out here with a tech win from GoedenDag, i.e. this collusion is actually unfavorable for VanjaM. Then the personal meeting is already in Oelm's favor, and he advances from 2nd place. VanjaM needed to play and win against GoedenDag, then these three players would have ended up in tiebreaker games.
The first option is unfavorable for OUTLAW, the last one for darkello, so it's perfectly natural that they chose a draw.
I repeat, the organizers cannot influence this or similar situations in any way.

1. OUTLAW Rampart
2. darkello Conflux


Next, my favorite Group J.
The replacement of PlayHeroes_HP Fortress -> Belqzaniq was made on October 17th.
Immediately I was informed that some players had complaints about him, and he is banned on WCL.
Why is he banned? I have no information from Sag, no complaints are stated in Belqzaniq's profile. The only explanation I managed to obtain is account cloning. Belqzaniq himself explained this to me by saying he forgot his password. I cannot disqualify a player from the HW tournament for creating a clone on WCL. There are clones galore there. We don't even disqualify our own clones (you yourselves saw directly in The Favorites Geroin and Roman, also forgot their passwords). And in the seasonal, one player of ours played under as many as 4 accounts.
The next complaint - in his opponent's stream it was visible how he threw the game, and then he said his internet dropped. Well, I personally had that happen in this tournament - I saw with my own eyes how my opponent threw on ГО, then he disappeared from ICQ, and then he said his power flickered. And, strangely enough, I believe him 100%.
If anyone has proper evidence of unfair play, please present it to me in a private message, I will pass the facts to the AC (unsubstantiated accusations of unfair play on the forum are prohibited, all such matters are reviewed by the AC in a closed section, otherwise irreparable damage could be done to the reputation of the innocent). And phrases like "one player said", "I was tipped off and told" I cannot attach to the case.

Now, what happened in this group.
Alone contacted me, asked to connect him with Belqzaniq. They connected via Hamachi.
Stream viewers discovered the use of the Objects.txt text file on Belqzaniq's side. Yes, I looked at the saves, it was indeed there. Alone received a tech win. Belqzaniq deleted the text file, said he used it out of ignorance, apologized.
Nestor86 had no problems. They connected, played, Nestor86 was the host. I specifically asked Nestor86 about complaints - no, there were no complaints.
And a month and a half later, already after the group stage ended, it turns out there are problems with collusion regarding the games of Javdet and kalababa. Well, where were you earlier? Why didn't you contact me? I never had any problem contacting him. I would have set a time, tracked player attendance. But as it stands now - you're either waiting in ICQ, or in Skype, or in the VT chat, while I communicated with him on Facebook, watched a piece of his stream of the game with Javdet. Well, everything needs to be done in a timely and civilized manner. Roman and Sergey, you're not newcomers, do you really need to be taught how to behave in such cases?
He is Bulgarian, participating in the tournament for the first time, his English and Russian are zero, his sense of humor is peculiar, I've been communicating with him for about a year and I barely understand him.
Doesn't speak Russian? Inadequacy? Emoticons? Postponements? None of this is specified in our rules. Roman, what can I do for you? Forbid him from communicating with you in chat?

In general, there are very many complaints from players about the difficulty of arranging games in the tournament. And this concerns not only Belqzaniq. If we disqualify a player from the tournament for every such complaint, a quarter of our players will be out immediately. Not everyone "knows how" to arrange games, especially our newcomers and newcomers to our forum who came from other resources. I won't point fingers.

I write in every tournament: "report problems to me." If I get no info from you, or I get the answer "dunno" to my question "how's it going?", then I can't do anything.

Due to the fact that the situation in Group J is very complicated, and it needs to be resolved, I propose the simplest solution - try to finish the game Javdet - Belqzaniq. I will try to contact Belqzaniq today. And a request to Javdet and kalababa - move the discussion to private messages. I will be on ICQ and Skype today, let's think about what to do next.
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And a month and a half later, already after the group stage, it turns out that there are problems with Javdet and kalababa regarding agreements on matches. Where were you before? Why didn't you contact me?
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I'll join my teammates in my assessment of Belqzaniq's adequacy. This character has repeatedly messed me up with deadlines for preliminary agreements. He could promise to play tomorrow, but would show up a week later. I have repeatedly written about this in this thread - that a teammate has disappeared, etc. I believe he is not a child and does not need someone to give explanations for him. He has never apologized for broken agreements or given explanations after his inconsistencies. On the contrary, he would start with a brief greeting "Hi" and the second phrase would be: "Are we playing or did I win?" Once, it could be taken as a joke, but constantly, even during the game, is too much))). It is necessary to draw conclusions and in the future not allow him to participate in tournaments.

He is Bulgarian, participating in a tournament for the first time, his English and Russian are non-existent, his sense of humor is peculiar, I have been communicating with him for about a year and I barely understand him.
Doesn't speak Russian? Inadequate? Emojis? Delays? None of this is stated in our rules. Roman, what can I do for you? Ban him from communicating with you in chat?

I also suggest giving him a chance - to strictly agree on the timing of the game, and if he doesn't show up, then... If he leaves after 5 minutes of the game, you decide... but I have a definite opinion - ban him. You need to respect your opponents, whether you are Bulgarian or someone else. These are my two constructive (I think) ideas. :)
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Well, now I'm somehow to blame. Was I supposed to chase after him? Is it my problem that he doesn't know how to use ICQ? Is it my problem that he ran away twice shortly after starting a game? Is it my fault that he doesn't show up for games? Is his poor English ("hi" level) my fault too?
I don't know. If you look at the tournament statistics on all three resources, Javdet was always among the first to play. I think that's a strong argument in the question of who was messing with whom.

By the way, there was a very informative conversation in the Hama chat yesterday.

B - hi
B - then in Bulgarian
J - hi
B - hi

end of communication


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I'll join my teammates in my assessment of Belqzaniq's adequacy. This character has repeatedly messed with me regarding the timing of preliminary agreements. He could promise to play tomorrow, but then show up a week later. I've written about this many times in this thread – that a teammate disappeared, etc. I think he's not a child and doesn't need someone to explain things for him. He has never apologized for breaking agreements or given explanations. On the contrary, he would start with a brief greeting, "Hi," and the second phrase would be: "Are we playing, or have I won?" Once, it might pass as a joke, but constantly, even during the game, is too much. We need to draw conclusions and not allow him to participate in tournaments in the future.



I also suggest giving him a chance – to make a firm agreement about the timing of the game, and if he doesn't show up, then... If he leaves after 5 minutes of play, you decide... but I have a definite opinion – ban him. We need to respect our opponents, whether you're Bulgarian or someone else. These are my two constructive (I think) ideas. :)
I support that.

In general, despite having a lot of work during the day, I'll wait for him. If he doesn't show up by 4 PM Kyiv time, I'm washing my hands of the situation
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Nothing depends on me, but still:

cheban (20:41:15 23/11/2012)
Hi, I'm on my phone. Can play on Sunday
cheban (20:41:32 23/11/2012)
From morning till evening
581706700@qip.ru (20:41:33 23/11/2012)
What time, Moscow time?
cheban (20:41:49 23/11/2012)
From 9 AM Moscow time

581706700@qip.ru (15:10:31 25/11/2012)
Hi
581706700@qip.ru (15:10:33 25/11/2012)
Wanna play?
581706700@qip.ru (18:27:49 25/11/2012)
???
581706700@qip.ru (19:35:39 25/11/2012)
We had a good game )))
P.S. 19:35 is local time, -7 hours from Moscow time.
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Javdet
Well, now I'm also somehow to blame...
The only thing is that I didn't inform you about anything.
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Returned a day earlier, checked my ICQ:
BlooDy)DriVeR (22:14:37 23/11/2012)
I have to go to another town for the next 2 days, I might be able to play all day on Monday and Tuesday. I spoke with the organizers, and they extended the time for our match to Tuesday.

BlooDy)DriVeR (22:16:08 23/11/2012)
I downloaded the Heroes image onto a USB flash drive and will try to find a computer, but I can't promise.

BlooDy)DriVeR (22:17:11 23/11/2012)
I'll find a computer on the weekend.

Dawidu91 (13:03:24 25/11/2012)
np, I'll give you the win.

Dawidu91 (13:03:24 25/11/2012)
I don't have time to play.

What should I do with this?(((
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Pit for LM

Group I.
Dawidu91 - BlooDy)DriVeR 0-1, technical win due to Dawidu91 refusing to continue.
1. twaryna Fortress
2. BlooDy)DriVeR Necropolis
, decided in a personal meeting with StickyFingaz (both have the same King's Bounty rating).

But here, the technical win doesn't seem to work out?
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But here, doesn't the tech issue create a problem?
"2. Personal meeting.
3. The points scored in the game "weigh" more than the tech win."
But in general, of course, I wouldn't want to win like that. I think I could win without resorting to tech win."
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Hello, sorry. My little one got sick, and I didn't sleep all night.
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Thank you too, see you.

Group O
1. PReDS Inferno
2. bRitvo4kA Stronghold


Group I.
Dawidu91 - BlooDy)DriVeR 0-1, technical loss due to Dawidu91's refusal to continue.
1. twaryna Fortress
2. BlooDy)DriVeR Necropolis
, based on a personal meeting with StickyFingaz (same KB)

Regarding match-fixing agreements.
Yes, agreements happen in almost every tournament with groups or a Swiss system. The organizers are absolutely powerless to influence this. It's impossible to forbid, force people to play / play at full strength. Even if the organizer sits and watches the stream, there's nothing easier than, after all resets, to throw the game and surrender. Any bans and rules will lead to deception, and that's even worse.
But there is a remedy for players - you just need to win all your games, then no agreements will stop you.

Specifically - Group P.
Let's take VanjaM - GoedenDag 1-0 (technical).
Options for OUTLAW - darkello:
- 0-1 - darkello advances from 1st place, OUTLAW from 2nd;
- 0.5-0.5 - OUTLAW advances from 1st place, darkello from 2nd;
- 1-0 - OUTLAW advances from 1st place; Oelm, VanjaM, darkello each get 2 points with the same KB - 2.
Head-to-head results also give nothing. The next criterion - technical wins, VanjaM loses out here with a technical win from GoedenDag, i.e. this agreement is precisely disadvantageous for VanjaM. Then the head-to-head meeting is already in favor of Oelm, and it is he who advances from 2nd place. VanjaM needed to play and win against GoedenDag; then these three players would have ended up in tiebreaker games.
The first option is disadvantageous for OUTLAW, the last for darkello, so it's completely natural that they chose a draw.
I repeat, the organizers can in no way influence this or similar situations.

1. OUTLAW Rampart
2. darkello Conflux


Next, my favorite Group J.
The replacement of PlayHeroes_HP Fortress -> Belqzaniq was made on October 17.
Right away I was informed that some players had complaints against him, and he is banned on WCL.
Why is he banned? I have no information from Sag-; the complaints are not stated in Belqzaniq's profile; the only explanation I managed to obtain is account cloning. Belqzaniq himself explained this to me as having forgotten his password. For creating a clone on WCL, I cannot disqualify a player from the tournament on HW. There are clones galore there. We don't even disqualify our own clones (you yourselves saw directly in Favorites Herosna and RomaN, also a forgotten password). And in the season, one of our players even played under 4 accounts.
The next complaint - in his opponent's stream, it was visible how he threw the game, and then he said his internet went down. Well, and I personally had this happen in this tournament - I saw with my own eyes how my opponent threw the game on ГО, then he disappeared from ICQ, and then he said his power flickered. And strangely enough, I believe him 100%.
If anyone has proper evidence of unfair play, please submit it to me in a private message, I will pass the facts on to the AC (groundless accusations of unfair play on the forum are prohibited; all such cases are handled by the AC in a closed section; otherwise, enormous damage may be done to the reputation of an innocent person). And the words "one player said", "I was tipped off and told" I cannot attach to the case.

Now, what happened in this group.
Alone tipped me off and asked me to contact Belqzaniq. We got in touch via Hamachi.
The stream viewers discovered Belqzaniq's use of the Objects.txt text file. Yes, I looked at the saves, indeed, it was there. Alone received a technical win. Belqzaniq deleted the text file, said he used it out of ignorance, and apologized.
Nestor86 had no problems. They got in touch, played, Nestor86 was the host. I specifically asked Nestor86 about complaints - no, there were no complaints.
And a month and a half later, after the group stage had already ended, it turns out that there are problems with an agreement for games involving Javdet and kalababa. Well, where were you before? Why didn't you contact me? I never had any problems contacting him. I would have set a time, tracked player attendance. But as it is now - whether we're waiting on ICQ, or Skype, or the VK chat, well, I communicated with him on Facebook, watched a piece of his stream of the game with Javdet. Well, you need to do everything in a timely and civilized manner. Roman and Sergey, you are not beginners; do you really need to be taught how to behave in such cases?
He is Bulgarian, participating in a tournament for the first time, his English and Russian are zero, his sense of humor is peculiar, I've been communicating with him for about a year and I barely understand him.
He doesn't speak Russian? Inadequacy? Smileys? Postponements? None of this is stipulated in our rules. Roman, what can I do for you? Ban him from chatting with you?

Overall, there are very many complaints from players about the difficulty of agreeing on a game time during the tournament. And this concerns not only Belqzaniq. If we were to disqualify a player from the tournament for every such complaint, 1/4 of our players would be out immediately. Not everyone "knows how" to negotiate, especially our newcomers and newcomers to our forum, who came from other resources. I won't point fingers.

In every tournament I write: "inform me about problems." If I have no information from you, or to my question "how are things?" I get the answer "dunno", then I can't do anything.

In connection with the fact that the situation in Group J is very complicated, and it needs to be resolved, I propose the simplest solution - try to finish the game Javdet - Belqzaniq. I'll try to contact Belqzaniq today. And a request to Javdet and kalababa - move the discussion to private messages. I'll be on ICQ and Skype today, let's think about what to do next.
Gratz :smile13:
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Huanito, congratulations! Now u r have much more time for yourself :D
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yarzapp(stronghold, Gundula, Crag Hack) def Gondza(castle, Valesca, Monere), jebus XL, 131

The map was strange (about 8 pandoras - 80 goblins, 50 wolves, 30 ogres, some exp and all earth magic). Dwells generally sucked (1 bird, 2 wolves, 1 goblin, 1 ork), 3 hives (lucky - 28 wyves), 1 cons (2 angels). Had book of earth and shield +4 all in my zone, which was big and finally I was preparing to break at 131, then in 127 opponent killed my Gundula with 2 angels (fortunately without artifacts) then took my town. He had 6 angels, 4 wyverns and 10 marksmen. I attacked him in my town with 7 lvl Crag (no spell book), there would be a problem if he would destroy my catapult so I had a great problem (he casted mass haste and mass slow). One time opponent made crucial mistake, when he attacked my birds with waited angel after moral, so all my units could kill him.
Thanks for a game, it was fun ;-)

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Alessandro (Rampart, xxx, yyy) draw Gondza(castle, zzz, yyy), 2sm4d3 L+U, 131

Draw. The game was ended due to the inability to establish a stable internet connection and the lack of chances for either player to win.
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cheban (21:42:01 25/11/2012)
Yeah, I still lost to Gomuglus, so what difference does it make if it's 3rd or 4th place. We can just agree on a draw and that's it.
581706700@qip.ru (21:42:29 25/11/2012)
then it's clear

Our game is not relevant.
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25 11 2012
Javdet (blue Rampart, Kyrre ,Kyrre) def Belqzaniq (red Barbarian, Tyraxor, Tyraxor) balance 121

There turned out to be only one path - at the exit there were Storm Elementals and Evil Eyes. Lucky that by week 1, day 15 Kalt had leveled up Tactics. Broke through without significant losses. During this time, the respawn was cleared, and by week 1, day 17, horses were at home in the Castle, and in the village, Elves were in the Fort.

I was about to take the 2 Griffin Conservatories and head to the center when my opponent lost the desire to play.
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I no longer feel like playing as that faction.
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