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It's a pity about Brezhnev – there were high hopes for him! I even remember watching the story of how our first Soviet blockbuster, "Pirates of the 20th Century," was made. Everyone doubted it – they tried to ban the film, but Brezhnev watched it, liked it, and approved it! He even always carried a copy of the film with him – so he could watch it again!
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Brezhnev is a hero of our time! :) Or at least of the last century!
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Brezhnev is a hero of our time! :) Or at least of the last century!
Brezhnev was a good man!
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What are you getting at? If you're talking about Brezhnev, I don't think he was crazy when he was in power. His inner circle did everything for him, and they did the same thing as now – they grabbed as much as they could. Only now they grab strictly according to the hierarchy, with the President at the head, and back then it was chaotic and without Brezhnev himself.

"The king is made by his retinue" – this has always been the case and probably will be, we just don't know anything...
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That's not necessarily true. A Tyrant creates a retinue.
I don't know... it depends on who you consider a Tyrant...
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I agree. The concepts of a tyrant and tyranny differ among people. But I believe that one person can never decide anything on their own. Stalin was able to do what he did precisely because he was surrounded by such people. And Brezhnev wasn't that old when he came to power. He simply ruled for a long time.
Мы спасемся? Я не знаю. Верьте...
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AlexeyPank;61918
They didn't distort anything. There was just no other way to build communism.

There wasn't. Because first, they hoped for a socialist revolution worldwide, and then they suddenly realized that their utopia wouldn't work... Lenin, towards the end of his life (he died, I think, in 1924), understood this mistake and wanted not pure communism in the future, but with elements of a market economy (NEP reforms). But Stalin decided that socialism (which, as is known, is the first stage of communism) could be built in a single country (it's as easy as pie...). This is the key mistake, in my opinion. :cool:

And Brezhnev wasn't a saint either.
It's a pity about Brezhnev - there were high hopes for him!
In my opinion, there were no high hopes. And there couldn't have been. If there had been, we would already be living under communism. Of course, I'm not condemning him. As a politician, I like him, but... He wanted to quietly and calmly move forward with his "developed socialism" and reach communism without making any effort or carrying out reforms - this is called "taking it easy." And meanwhile, the socialist country was in its death throes. :smile16:
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Stalin was able to achieve this precisely because he was surrounded by such people.
Without a doubt. Stalin was surrounded by people who wanted the same things he did. If he hadn't had that circle of people around him, he wouldn't have been given so much freedom.
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Without a doubt. Stalin was surrounded by people who wanted the same things he did. If he hadn't had that circle of people around him, Stalin wouldn't have been given so much freedom.
If he and Vladimir Ilyich hadn't had the kind of circle of people around them that they did, the idea of communism would have died in its infancy...
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if he and Vladimir Ilyich hadn't had the kind of entourage they had, the idea of communism would have died in its infancy...

and if Nicholas II had been an evil tyrant (aka demon lord :smile25:), there would have been no Lenin at all (execute the whole family together with his brother...)...:rolleyes:
Сила Тьмы - в бессилии света.
Нет невежества - есть Знание
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Darth Saruman;62231
but if Nicholas II had been an evil tyrant (aka a demon lord :smile25:), there would have been no Lenin at all (he would have executed the entire family, including his brother...)...:rolleyes:
if Nicholas II had been a tyrant, and not just a weakling, the Socialist-Revolutionaries would have been primarily interested in his death, and not in the deaths of Prince Sergei and Plehve.
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if Nicholas II had been a tyrant, rather than a martyr, then the Socialist-Revolutionaries would have been primarily interested in his death, and not in the deaths of Prince Sergei and Plehve.

Well, you know that Stalin wasn't liked by many, but no one assassinated him! And Nicholas would have dealt with the scoundrels and that would have been it!
Сила Тьмы - в бессилии света.
Нет невежества - есть Знание
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you know, many people didn't like Stalin, but no one assassinated him! And Nicholas would have dealt with the villains and that would be it!
No one assassinated Stalin because the right time didn't come. Before the war, it was scary to even say the leader's name out loud, because the walls had ears. During the war, you understand, there was no time. And after the war, he was assassinated...
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No one dared to criticize Stalin because there wasn't a suitable time. Before the war, it was terrifying to even mention the leader's name aloud; back then, even the walls had ears. During the war, you understand, there was no time. And after the war, he was criticized...

Nikolai just needed to be stricter...like Peter the Great, for example!:D
Сила Тьмы - в бессилии света.
Нет невежества - есть Знание
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