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Отдай свои прошлые сны, В сомненьях себя обрети, В бешеном танце душа кружится! Не думай, что будет потом, Здесь и сейчас мы живем, Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!
Драккошка
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When was the last time I made a joke while playing as Mafia? o_O I think I now only make jokes when playing as Town, so people like you don't judge my behavior: p
А, вот почему.
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Zybr
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When was the last time I made jokes while playing as Dungeon? o_O I think I only make jokes when playing as Haven now, so people like you don't judge my behavior :p
I didn't judge you in the last game;). I was just testing the waters. Once I figured out which side you were on, I backed off. So, no need for that here.
Отдай свои прошлые сны, В сомненьях себя обрети, В бешеном танце душа кружится! Не думай, что будет потом, Здесь и сейчас мы живем, Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!
You were only focusing on one piece of evidence and one role.
It's simple: I focused on this piece of evidence and this role because the leak of Ment started based on this very piece of evidence. Zybr
I would have immediately paid attention to other clues about him, and not just on the third attempt, or at least noted them as possible, but I would have written that they don't appeal to me for one reason or another.
when it turns out that Ment is really not Savage, then you can nod wisely and say "well, I told you! You should have listened to me!"
I can only say that if Ment is a civilian. But if he turns out to be a mafia member, then I won't have time to say anything - I will be very quickly and unanimously voted out -___-"
И ярость тысячи солнц падёт на вас! >:3
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Come on then, feel it out, just follow the rules of decency; I have to leave in ten minutes :)
Regarding Menti, whom almost everyone has collectively piled onto mafia players are leaking a USEFUL one. I don't see a single post from him. I hope that when I return, there will already be a drinking party with his participation and it will be possible to draw some conclusions not only based on evidence which almost no one hangs people for anyway. <blockquote-//>But if he turns out to be a mafia player, I won't have time to say anything - everyone will leak me very quickly and unanimously -___-"You'll have time. Ghostshooter isn't exactly alive, and tomorrow there's still a whole day for your execution. Unless the USEFUL ones decide to take it up, though they don't care who to kill yet.
А, вот почему.
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Zybr
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It's simple: I focused on this clue and this role because the leak of Ment started based on this very clue.
If this were a mafia leak, it would be logical. There isn't one when a serial killer is leaked because you were defending him and pretending to doubt.
I can only say that if Ment was a peaceful resident. But if he turns out to be a mafia member, I won't be able to say anything - I'll be very quickly and unanimously leaked -___-"
They won't leak you, they'll hang you. And yes, I'll be the first in those ranks. Now.
Отдай свои прошлые сны, В сомненьях себя обрети, В бешеном танце душа кружится! Не думай, что будет потом, Здесь и сейчас мы живем, Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!
Kosh
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You'll make it.
I didn't express myself correctly again :3 If Ment is Mafia, then in your eyes, I automatically become Mafia as well, and boasting about my "foresight" that Ment turned out not to be a Savage would be pointless. =) Zybr
What does that change?
Well, for you, it seems to change nothing :3 But for me, it does – I explained why I became interested in this particular clue. Zybr
No, it doesn't change anything when a Mafia member is eliminated, because you were actually defending him and pretending to doubt.
I believe that a statement like, "Noble gentlemen, let's not rush and think again, let's see if anyone else fits the description of 30.10," is not a defense, but a constructive suggestion. It implies that if no new ideas appear on this matter, then Ment should be eliminated as the most obvious suspect. And yes, I wasn't pretending to doubt =[br][/br]Zybr
They won't "eliminate" him, they'll "eliminate" him. And yes, I will be the first in those ranks. Now.
Good move to gang up on a newbie. For the Mafia :3 P.S. On my forum, "eliminate" and "eliminate" meant the same thing. Do you have different meanings for these words?
И ярость тысячи солнц падёт на вас! >:3
Zybr
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I believe that a statement like, "Noble lords, let's not rush and think about it again, let's see if anyone else fits the description of 30.10," is not a defense, but a constructive suggestion. It implies that if no new ideas emerge on this matter, then Ment should be hanged as the most obvious suspect. And yes, I didn't pretend to doubt =[/quote] That's how you wrote it; it gives the impression of a defense. Moreover, you pretended because you didn't offer any alternative options. I've already explained the reason for this. If you were peaceful and genuinely doubted the logic of others' conclusions, you would have thought about it and probably found some of your own. Otherwise, you would have nodded and agreed. At least, that's what seems logical to me. You simply threw out the thesis, "the evidence is too weak, you're executing him for nothing," and that's it. You didn't develop the thought further. Only after Rimple and I drew attention to this did you start providing other facts. And even then, not immediately, but trying to withhold information for as long as possible.
Отдай свои прошлые сны, В сомненьях себя обрети, В бешеном танце душа кружится! Не думай, что будет потом, Здесь и сейчас мы живем, Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!
Zybr
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It's a good move to attack a newbie. For the mafia :3
Is this your main argument?) Did you turn on Sammаfa? And you're contradicting yourself, because you wrote that you're not a newbie and have a lot of gaming experience.
P.S. On my forum, "to frame" and "to hang" meant the same thing. Do you have a different meaning for these words?
In my opinion, "to frame" means to accuse an innocent person.
Отдай свои прошлые сны, В сомненьях себя обрети, В бешеном танце душа кружится! Не думай, что будет потом, Здесь и сейчас мы живем, Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!
Zybr
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For clarity:
A good move is to target a newbie.
It's a possible option, but I wouldn't do something so obviously revealing – I do have some experience playing Mafia (even if not on this forum) :3
Отдай свои прошлые сны, В сомненьях себя обрети, В бешеном танце душа кружится! Не думай, что будет потом, Здесь и сейчас мы живем, Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!
Kosh
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Zybr
Moreover, he pretended, because he didn't offer any other options.
How didn't he offer any? Here:
For example, there are many events listed in the wiki that happened on this day. I tried to match some of them with the players' profiles, but I didn't find any obvious similarities.
I suggested using the wiki and seeing if any of the events that happened on this day could be related to one of the players. Zybr
If you were peaceful and genuinely doubted the logic of others' conclusions, you would have thought about it and probably found some of your own. Otherwise, you would have nodded and agreed.
Sorry, but I don't like playing in a way where someone says "Aha! He's the Mafia, let's kill him, guys!!!" and everyone immediately rushes to kill that person. I didn't like this approach on my forum either, and it was even worse there – the killed person from the graveyard was commanding everyone else. =\ Zybr
You started giving other facts.
What kind of facts are those, I wonder? It seems like you're deliberately twisting my words – first, you say I didn't offer any alternatives, then you accuse Ment of being a maniac, and then you say I'm covering for him. Strange contradictions, don't you think? Zybr
Is this your main argument?
This isn't an argument. And I'm not accusing you of being Mafia, but your behavior seems very strange to me. Zybr
And you're contradicting yourself, because you yourself wrote that you're not a newbie and have a lot of experience playing.
Not at all, I did write that I have experience playing Mafia, but I'm a newbie on your forum and in the game of Mafia with clues. Isn't that right? Zybr
In my opinion, "to сливать" means to wrongly accuse an innocent person.
Okay, I'll remember that jargon. I meant simply killing someone by vote :3 Zybr
For clarity:
You forgot to add (of course, not to discredit me, right?) this quote:
You're overestimating me :3 I'm not that experienced in this type of Mafia game to analyze everything right away.
И ярость тысячи солнц падёт на вас! >:3
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I suggested using the wiki and seeing if any event that happened on that day could be linked to one of the players.
This isn't a suggestion; it's just empty words. I could write the same thing without even looking at the wiki. You just pretended to be looking for something.
What kind of facts are you talking about? I think you're deliberately twisting my words – you say I didn't offer any alternatives, then you accused Ment of being a maniac, and then you defended him. Strange shifts in opinion, don't you think?
Twisting my words? Fine:
Are you talking about "the ace" and the word "cards" in Ment's signature? Or did you somehow link "sociopath" to his profile?
If you're bothered by the phrase "started giving other facts," I can rephrase it – I started mentioning other scenarios.
That's not an argument. And I'm not accusing you of being a Mafia player, but your behavior is very strange to me.
Watered-down statement :)
On the contrary, I did write that I have experience playing Mafia, but I am a novice on your forum and in the game of Mafia with clues. Isn't that right?
And? You have experience in Mafia. Are you saying now that you don't have experience playing Mafia with clues? And what does the forum have to do with it? The basic principles of the game don't change.
Okay, I'll keep in mind the peculiarity of your jargon. I meant simply killing someone in a vote :3
I'm not sure that's a common term. I just explained my position.
You forgot to add (of course, not to discredit me, right?) this quote:
That was later. But it's good that you pointed it out. It just makes your shift from "I'm an experienced player" to "I'm a somewhat confused novice, don't touch me, I'm a good guy" more logical and consistent.
Отдай свои прошлые сны, В сомненьях себя обрети, В бешеном танце душа кружится! Не думай, что будет потом, Здесь и сейчас мы живем, Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!
Kosh
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Zybr
This isn't a suggestion; it's just empty words. I could write the same thing without even looking at the Wiki. You just pretended to be searching for something.
For you, it's empty words; for me, it's not. I at least tried to think differently. As I wrote, I didn't find any connections in the Wiki, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. I might have missed something, or I might have been wrong with my assumption. But I tried to do something. I'll keep in mind that you don't like initiative =[br][/br]Zybr
started mentioning other clues.
I only decided to try other clues for Mental after your post. The analogy with cards was the first thing that came to my mind, nothing more. Zybr
Water
So, regarding water, it's 1:1:3 Zybr
Are you saying you don't have experience playing Mafia with clues?
Yes, this is my third game with clues. Moreover, the first one was a hybrid – it had both clues and quants, and it ended in a failure -__-". The second game was the one that was linked in this thread, on the 1C forum. And both of them differed from yours in that free communication was allowed. So, I'm playing this kind of Mafia for the first time. Zybr
And what does the forum have to do with it? The basic principles of the game don't change.
The principles don't change, but the attitude towards unfamiliar people is different compared to known players, whose playing style you already know and understand what to expect from them, and what is unlikely. Newcomers are unpredictable, and they are usually treated with caution. That's all :3
И ярость тысячи солнц падёт на вас! >:3
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For you, it's nothing, but for me, it's not. I at least tried to think differently. As I wrote, I didn't find any connections in the Wiki, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. I might have missed something, or I might have been wrong with my assumption. But I tried to do something. I'll keep in mind that you don't like initiative =[/QUOTE] How does this relate to this?
I only decided to try other clues on Ment after your post. The analogy with the maps was the first thing that came to my mind, nothing more.
So, you went to the wiki, but didn't consider more obvious things? I've already written the reason, and for now, it seems the most logical to me. I'll also note the rather blatant pressure for sympathy and the like:
I'll keep in mind that you don't like initiative =[/QUOTE] Initiative is good, a sensible, peaceful initiative. If you dig, dig to the end, don't just pretend.
And I appreciate your activity, at least you're not hiding. It's a pity that the investigations really are Mafia-like.
Yes, this is my third game with clues. Moreover, the first one was a hybrid - it had both clues and quents. The second game was the one that was linked in this thread, on the 1C forum. And both of them differed from yours in that free communication was allowed. So, this is the first time I'm playing this kind of Mafia.
I'm not suspecting you because of the clue, but because of your behavior:) So, your excuse is not accepted.
The principles don't change, but the attitude towards unfamiliar people is different than towards players you already know, whose playing style you already know and understand what to expect from them, and what is unlikely. Newcomers are unpredictable, and they are usually treated with caution. That's all :3
This doesn't mean that someone should be given a huge amount of trust. You still won't be safe today; there's a more preferable option with Ment. So, if anything happens, your behavior can be observed. But again, the downside is that you have already started to lean towards the fact that you are a newcomer and cannot be touched.
Отдай свои прошлые сны, В сомненьях себя обрети, В бешеном танце душа кружится! Не думай, что будет потом, Здесь и сейчас мы живем, Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!
Arandor
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Let me clarify a couple of points right away: Padmé won't recognize the name of Anakin's killer.
If only Anakin knows the killer's name, why would both characters need to mention it? It could have been written just for Anakin, to avoid confusing players.