Forum — Tournament Committee

Niemand

14 years ago

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Neoandy

The adrenaline rush comes only to those who don't read the inscription on the object before entering the teleport and only find out where they ended up after visiting it. It's also interesting to play tank battles, digging games, and counting games – there, you definitely won't have to delve into the complexities of teleport problems on XL+U templates. :)

If you're afraid to play XL+U templates with one-way teleports in SoD, play in WT, and you'll be happy. And you "won't have to delve into the complexities of teleport problems on XL+U templates:)".

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Neoandy

14 years ago

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GoedenDag

If you're afraid to play XL+U templates with one-way teleports in SoD, just play in WT, and you'll be happy. And you won't have to "delve into the depths of teleport problems on XL+U templates :)".

Get out of your comfort zone or break free from your limitations /topic/at/588891/

Oelm

14 years ago

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How, for example, VT can be configured almost like SoD, but even with minor changes to the gameplay, VT is doomed to be popular only among a very narrow circle of Russian admirers who organize small private matches.

Despite this being from personal correspondence, I still want to comment given the complete nonsense of these words. All the strongest tournaments in the CIS space were held on the VT version. Almost all the strongest players believe that VT has obvious advantages. The strongest tournaments on the Portal, ХВ, and bae were held on the VT version (with the exception of the last FB). The number of players in the VT chat is quite comparable to the number of players on GameRanger, where most games of the SoD version are played. It would be more honest to talk about a narrow group of SoD fans huddling on World, if we don't take into account those who haven't yet outgrown their childhood "shorts" from Heroes.

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R55Max

14 years ago

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Oelm

Although this is from a private conversation, I still want to comment due to the complete absurdity of the words. All the strongest tournaments in the CIS region were held on the WoG version. Almost all the strongest players believe that WoG has obvious advantages. The strongest tournaments on Portal, HotA, and BoD were held on the WoG version (with the exception of the last FB). The number of players in the WoG chat is quite comparable to the number of players on GameRanger, where most of the games in the SOD version are played. It would be fairer to talk about a small group of SOD fans, huddled on World, if we don't take into account those who haven't yet grown out of their "Heroes" childhood.

Oh yes, GameRanger, as I often see posts in the "funny and amusing situations" thread, we see nonsense because we respond with nonsense.

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Oelm

14 years ago

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And what’s so absurd about what I said? If someone doesn’t play bridge, they might think that nobody plays bridge. Similarly, if a player isn’t part of the “WT” community, they might think that the “WT” community is a niche group.

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R55Max

14 years ago

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Oelm

But what's the nonsense in what I said? If someone doesn't play bridge, they might think that no one plays bridge. And if a player isn't part of the "WT" community, they might think that the "WT" community is also a niche group.

Just like someone who switched to a parallel field. Over the past year and a half, almost all tournaments are held using the SOD format by default, and that FB5 was recognized by the organizer, numOne, as a failed attempt. All international tournaments are also held using the SOD format by default. By the way, when referring to the "Heroes of Might and Magic" website, remember that it is the largest "Heroes" portal in the Russian-speaking internet.

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Dirty_Player

14 years ago

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This argument is pointless. You should play both. :)

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Oelm

14 years ago

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You're being funny, Max. Premier League on the portal – it's the VT version for HL templates. CIS tournament – only the VT version. Tournament with mages – only the VT version.

What else was on SOD besides "Newcomers"? The latest favorites – in my opinion, the most boring and uninspired tournament in the entire series, maybe because they lobbied for SOD? FB-6? It was just a mass-start event. Some players were simultaneously competing in Newcomer-2012.

And there's nothing to say about the official ones. Kingissepp, St. Petersburg championships, Minsk tournaments, CIS finals – all VT. Create a tournament with a good prize pool, and again, VT players will be in the leading roles. And in general, the observation is that all developing players come to VT, some sooner, some later. Let's implement chat moderation, and we'll attract even more people. There are only a few staunch SOD players left, and even they managed to accuse of maphacking:).

In general, I suggest that we don't settle scores in this thread, but rather move to the forum if desired.

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R55Max

14 years ago

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What else was there on SOD besides "Newcomers"? In my opinion, the latest favorites were the most boring and uninspired tournament in the entire series, maybe because they lobbied for SOD? FB-6?

This is after you told me that it was the best organization on Hv of all time that you remember.

Premier League on the portal - VT version for HL templates. CIS tournament - only VT version. Mage tournament - only VT version.

You listed 3 tournaments, but FB, favorites, and 2 inter-portal tournaments, which take up a significant amount of time, are not mentioned, and I'm not even talking about smaller tournaments, from which SOD participants simply don't have time to emerge. With SC2TV, excellent tournaments are held on mini-maps, with a strong lineup for these maps, and even the "Newcomers" constantly replenish all of this, so no matter how you measure it, there's nothing to measure against. And indeed, it's not worth talking about this, because it's an irresolvable dispute.

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aka.Ward3n

14 years ago

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Guys, the thing is, like many beginners, I believe that you should first learn how to play SoD and only then move on to VT. Otherwise, you'll end up trying to do too much at once with not enough resources.

Everything has its own advantages and disadvantages.

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Pyre

14 years ago

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I'm quite satisfied with SoD, I see no reason to switch to VT

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Oelm

14 years ago

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This is after you told me that this is the best organization on HeroesWorld in as long as you can remember.

Uh-huh. Max, where's the inconsistency here? Well, I, for instance, am also a tournament organizer, and I enjoyed watching your work. At the same time, as a player, the tournament unfortunately didn't spark my interest; I even declined extra games there. Well, I recall that in the past favorites there were games that could intrigue me — I would download the saves. In the last tournament, there was simply nothing for me to feast my eyes on. As for the reasons — SoD is just a version; in reality, it might not be about the version at all. The wrong formula, or the wrong templates — I don't know, or maybe it's just a coincidence. Unfortunately, that's how it is.

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Yourdestiny

14 years ago

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Let me reiterate the main idea: 1. Consolidate players in the Heroes community under a single version. 2. Create favorable conditions for players, such as a unified ranking system, to provide a simple and accessible way to have additional motivation for playing, all in an international format. The Heroes community is already divided into two camps that constantly argue. If HD puts players in such conditions, it won't be any better, even considering the optional nature of the changes. Regarding Tournaments on the Heroes community platform, I don't think people in China or many other countries know what the Heroes community is, and I don't think they will accept it because there are many mods, and they will have their own people who will feel that Heroes needs to be modified according to their vision of the game's development, which will not coincide with ours. We either talk about Tournaments within the CIS and Bay area, or we talk about attracting other resources and countries to these Tournaments. But I agree, two versions are playable, and everyone should enjoy their own version. An idea that is understandable to everyone and in all languages: Announcement: HD mod is a really nice and important mod for HoMM3. It's compatible with HoMM3 SOD/Complete versions and is easy to install. It doesn't change gameplay (http://www.heroes-iii.com/). I think it will not be difficult to convey this simple thought to all other resources. If, in the end, we add ** and indicate that, according to certain parameters, even with good intentions to fix bugs, the gameplay will be changed, this will cause heated discussions on various forums, and it will simply no longer be posted with a recommendation. I think Baratorch is not just wondering why people don't install version 3.xx because even the Russian Community, which communicates in the same language, cannot fully understand the "harmlessness" of the changes. If HD was intended to improve SOD but not change it, it makes sense to move in this direction, seeing its spread. This, it seems, is the key to success.

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Oelm

14 years ago

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And according to you, is fixing bugs the same as changing the game?

Why, for example, not implement the option to selectively disable Necromancy (which is prohibited by the rules on most European forums), or a chess timer?

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Yourdestiny

14 years ago

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You see, any change will lead to us discussing it, and we will have different points of view. Let's take the entire Hive with its different viewpoints, and let's take the rest of the world with its own. And everyone will be right in their own way. I can say that if we want consolidation, a consensus on changes will definitely not be found. And if the author sets himself the ambitious goal of further developing the game beyond the CIS, then it is necessary to create conditions for uniting players (both top players and the ordinary mass of "gamers" and simple players who are not really involved in Heroes forums, which in any case are the majority) on the original version of the game, supplementing it with super cool existing features and involving new or old players with a single international ranking that should motivate. In any case, I would be happy to see the game develop in this direction, and not in further Schisms, because even judging by SC2TV, where you can almost every evening find a stream about Heroes (which wasn't the case half a year or a year ago) and there is a huge interest in this game (both from old-school players and new fans), Heroes has every chance to live and thrive, and Baratorcha has a chance to be remembered

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