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Besides, the city wants specifics. Then someone comes along and takes on this role, and what happens?

Besides, the city wants specifics. Then someone comes along with this role, "reveals" something, and what's the point?

Or, it won't be revealed, but instead, they'll try to provoke, find a good, but irrelevant piece of evidence, and try to pin the blame.

Usually, they come and write that he is lying. But in general, who has played with someone else's role on our server? At least recently? And how many people do that?
I only do that when there is no other choice, and regardless of the faction.

Does Tox sometimes act like a maniac while playing as a Mafia member? Is that considered cheating?

No, it’s better to take on peaceful roles. A “maniac” won’t argue; they might resolve the issue with a note or a non-disclosure agreement. I’m just curious to see how people react when they play as Mafia members and encounter the same situation. Experience shows that players who initially support this often change their minds when they personally experience the situations that previously suited them.

But even when playing as a peaceful character, you shouldn't give hints unnecessarily, only when it's absolutely necessary. If you're playing as a Mafia member, you can sometimes give a very subtle hint so that the Town player can understand it and believe you, while some other player, whose role you've revealed, won't understand anything. These situations, when this is possible, are not as rare as they seem.

You don't have to look far for an example; read about the current state of the community.

If you're playing as Mafia, sometimes you can make a very subtle hint so that the town's analyst understands it and believes you, while some idiot, whose role you've revealed, won't understand anything. These situations, where this is possible, are not as rare as they seem.

Cop, we're not talking about subtle hints here, but about "obvious" ones. When a player makes it clear what their role is, or at least a small range of roles, or at least which side they're on.

But you shouldn't give hints as a town member just like that, only if it's necessary.

It's like saying: If a town has a doctor, a bodyguard, etc., why not? During the day, you're "white," and at night, they protect you. That's a normal basis.

When a player makes it clear... at least which side they're on.

Did I understand correctly that the game should be styled after Mafia?

Did I understand correctly that the player should act like a Mafia member?

No, that's incorrect. They shouldn't openly state that they are a мир (innocent player).
Reread Toriy's post, for example, to understand better.

I understand perfectly what you mean. But just because I understand it doesn't mean I have to like it.

As this mafia game has shown, relying on insurance is not a good idea. Shouldn't you openly state that you are a town member? Maybe it's also not allowed for the mafia to openly state that they are town members? Well, that's just nonsense. Let's also introduce a rule that you can't openly write smart things, and you can't openly deduce who the mafia are. Otherwise, it turns out that if you deduce who the mafia are, then they are not the mafia, and that's a huge piece of information about their role!

I understand perfectly what you mean. But just because I understand it doesn't mean I have to like it.

Like a defense mechanism? I'd rather crack a joke than suggest something of my own.


What is this stupid habit of immediately jumping to extremes? Why is role-revealing allowed in psychomafia? Because with neutral detectives, you can't really verify much. Which is not the case with evidence-based mafia. Here, any role-reveal can be quickly checked, and the result will always be the same: the mafia will have nothing to do during the day; if anything happens, they will immediately be asked to "hint at their role! Don't want to? Well, then you're mafia; a town member would have hinted." And if they try to hint, sooner or later they will simply "burn" during a neutral detective night. This is happening more and more often now.

It's enough to just look at the reasons for executions, how many are based on evidence and how many on assumptions. At this rate, everyone will soon not care about anything except "waiting for Petya to tell us his role and the night confirms his words." And will you balance this with overpowered neutral detectives for the mafia? Good luck with that.

Roles and assumptions in mafia shouldn't be crystal clear on the first day. There should be loopholes for each side, but not of the "fight fire with fire" kind, but more neutral ones.

P.s.

As this mafia game showed, you shouldn't rely on protection.

That's good. It means that not everyone likes playing with open cards yet. I really don't understand what the point is – there's no excitement at all.
But if it happens due to the stupidity of some player, that's also normal. Deceiving and distorting facts is the task of the mafia members.

Okay, let's take measures against such obvious hints like "lol, look at the note, it's mine."
But I will continue to write notes, and I will keep writing them. If you don't want it to be clear what my role is simply because "lol, there's one note, it must be from Toxic," then, for goodness sake, write your own! And if you're too lazy or lack the creativity, then those are your shortcomings, not mine.

The sheriff is right. If you can’t openly demonstrate your peaceful nature, then it follows that you can’t solve clues, analyze newspapers, and identify the Mafia. You identified the Mafia and correctly eliminated them – so what, you’re a peaceful player, what’s the big deal?