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Considering the Chinese issue. Again, not to "ban" immediately, but to think first. And listen to all opinions, and find out his explanations.
It would be very nice if someone would take on this task. (c)

I think it's too late to think about the relationship with the Chinese... I apologize. I ruined it... yesterday I couldn't hold back and told him what I thought...
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I think it's too late to think about having a good relationship with the Chinese... I apologize. I ruined it... yesterday I couldn't hold back and told him what I thought...

Did you still congratulate him on his birthday?:D I also wanted to, but I held back;)
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Did you still wish him a happy birthday?:D I also felt like it, but I held back;)

Yep, I congratulated him!!:smile43: :smile39:
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And how did he react? Did you swear in English or in Russian?
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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something like this:

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Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Blah blah blah. Enough, right? Captain, you're not very good. What grounds did he have to play this hand??? There's nothing on day one, just a block on the road. I would take a rest without any hesitation! But no, we reveal the map and see a bunch of goodies ahead + 4 gold for the opponent... Trollface... we play! That's exactly how I imagined it. Well, the rest is as written above. Should we ban him? And who does that (issues bans)? Maybe we should attach a poll and everyone can express their opinion.
I've kind of volunteered to be the defender of the Chinese player :)))
No, guys, I actually think the Chinese player could also be a cheater - with a high probability. But we need to approach it like Vic does - with a cool head and arguments.

Regarding the rest on turn 111 - I can't look at the save right now, but I think the block only appeared on turn 112, and there's a stable right away in the castle, which is a bonus. So, the rest could be taken on turn 112 or 113. And on turn 112, he already took Pandora with 10k experience and revealed a manticore lair. Is that right?

Also, someone should say if they've played with him, does the Chinese player like to take rests or not?
Maybe he's one of those who plays almost any situation.
In any case, he played better than our player - without running around the map.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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And how did he react? Were you swearing in English or Russian?
No reaction, I told him off and banned that fucking bastard...

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About the rest at 111 - I can't check the save right now, but I think there was a block only at 112, and the Castle has a stable right away, which is a bonus. And the rest could be taken at 112 or 113. And at 112 he already took the pandora for 10k experience and revealed the manticore external dwelling. Right?

Also, can anyone who has played with him say whether the Chinese player likes to take rests or not?
Maybe he's one of those who plays almost any layout.
Well, in any case he played stronger than our player - without any wandering around the respawn.

I think I already said that if he gets a better draw, no one will ever prove any cheating, and he'll just take it with skill, simply capitalizing on what was dealt... you can't fault him on the rest, he didn't use either one and could have taken 112... in the first game I also took two right away... then he took another one... then I got a chocolate, he told me, fine, I'll take one more, for luck...
In the second game, what was suspicious was the speed of his turns... he never took more than 5 minutes, only a couple of turns took about 10 minutes... and it's very surprising how he went to GO without a spellbook... I've played Jebus Cross with a single secondary skill many times... and going blindly in such a game is ridiculous... if I had to guess, that was the only road to GO...
No one else can find fault with anything here... I don't care about this Chinese player, because I see that nothing could be proven here... he played, and that's it... I can only say 100% that he will beat whoever is next and make it to Neo))) then let him figure out what's what)))...
I was wandering around the respawn because it wasn't immediately clear where to go, I don't have super intuition...
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Well, in any case, he played stronger than our player — without running around the respawn.
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Will anyone else say who played with him? Does the Chinese player like to take rests or not?
If memory serves, in two games he took two re's — ruining my normal generation for Jebus Cross. Then he clearly started playing an unsweetened variation. After the 1st re, the balance had an external dwelling of basilisks under his Castle, and later a fat one appeared
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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I think I already mentioned that if he surrenders, no one will ever be able to prove that he was cheating, and he'll just win with skill, simply by utilizing what he has... there's nothing to criticize here regarding the resurrection spell; he didn't use both, and he could have taken the 112 spell... in the first game, I also took two right away... then he took another one... then I got the chocolate spell, and he said, "Okay, I'll take one more, let it be for good luck..."
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Yes, this is already interesting; do you have saves where you have the chocolate spell and he took the resurrection spell? Please upload them.

Regarding your indecision – his resurrection point was open, and he was clearly heading towards it, while your resurrection point was also open (2nd week), but you were indecisive.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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I don't see any point in dwelling on replays. Whether to take or not take something is subjective, and it cannot be used as an argument in accusing someone of using replays.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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I don't see any point in dwelling on restarts. Whether to take/not take is subjective, and it cannot be an argument in accusing someone of cheating.
It's obvious that it can be. If the assessment of whether to take/not take a restart changes depending on whether we are looking at an open/closed map, then it provides an opportunity to see if the player is cheating or not.
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A possible response to such an accusation could be:
a) I simply DON'T WANT to play this map.
b) I have a reserve hero; this map might be decent, but I'll wait for a better one.
c) The map is not very good, but I only have one reserve hero, so it's better not to risk it and end up in a bad situation.
d) I lost a lot.
e) Ufferton, Stracker, etc....
f) Ivor without edicts, Taz with 10 gnolls....
If you try hard enough, you can come up with more reasons.

Often, I choose option a) and it's extremely difficult to explain this logic.
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You are describing a situation where, in private, the decision of whether or not to take a restart is almost a coin toss. That is, you can flip a coin and decide based on what it shows. But the same situation, when made public, may no longer be close to a coin toss, but could be very bad (and a restart should be taken) or good (you should keep playing). If, within the context of a single game, he could simply guess, because based on the available information, it was 50/50, then if you look at five games and it turns out that in all 5 games he was randomly guessing the right moments for a restart, then it is no longer correct to explain this as luck; you need to look for more plausible explanations, such as map hacking. That is, I'm saying that how a player takes restarts should also be analyzed. Although a single game may not be enough for this.
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Generally, that's correct, but for this, you need to have at least 5 saves with clear evidence... In our situation, this is a problem. Restarts overwrite the autosave. Everyone who played with the Chinese player should have saved all the generations he rejected from the beginning.
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Sometimes, taking a break can be an indicator, although not a 100% proof, but it adds to the evidence.
I always save my rest periods and then analyze them carefully.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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