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What is this about?

I started looking at Valeska's skill tree, if she's going to be the main hero...it seems like she gets Wisdom and Ballista skills without any choice...I don't remember exactly...that's why he messed up her build...he needs to find a new main hero...Negr and Dragon are now candidates...Negr has Earth, Logistics, Attack, Leadership, and Defense skills...something like that...so I'm wondering why he stopped developing him...if the Dragon didn't take Air skills in his build, then his build would be incredibly powerful))) which is not an option at all.
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http://www.forum.heroes.by/viewtopic.php?t=613&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120 Maybe we should adopt this? :D
I remember Stinger was against it))) I wonder what Tyoma thinks now, in relation to this case?:D

In relation to what case? If you're talking about the consistency of judging, then the Chinese player should be banned, as I mentioned before.

As for the game against the suspected cheater with an open map, my opinion hasn't changed. I've said before that in online games, you can always assume your opponent is cheating, so what should we do now - play with an open map all the time? ;)
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http://www.forum.heroes.by/viewtopic.php?t=613&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120 Maybe we should adopt this? :D
I remember Stinger was against it))) I wonder what Tyoma thinks now, in relation to this situation?:D
:wtf: They are everywhere... Reading this topic disappointed me more than the fuss at the World Cup. The guy revealed the map while playing against another cheater, and this is even encouraged by the Heroes community...
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Generally, playing against him in the second game with a score of 1-0 in his favor seems fundamentally wrong to me. Knowing that he's being targeted, he can still win fairly. But a 1-0 lead is more than a solid advantage.
Either he should be removed from the tournament after the second game, or the first game should be annulled.
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:wtf: They're everywhere... Reading this thread has disappointed me more than watching the World Championship. The guy revealed a map while playing against another cheater, and this is even encouraged by the Heroes community...
You're right, of course, but it's worth going back a page in that thread. For a complete picture.
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But he's Chinese, so we shouldn't ban him, just to avoid conflict.
You're judging from your perspective, not from the perspective of the Chinese.

In the Russian mentality, the cult of the warrior occupies a prominent place, with all the concepts that follow from it. And in the Chinese mentality, the cult of the merchant occupies that place. Therefore, they interpret concessions as weakness, a reason to try to bargain for something else.

If we don't ban Tinker now, it will be a signal to him and other Chinese players that there are gullible fools here who can be led by the nose. I suspect they already think that way, so I recommend studying the games of other Chinese players; the situation is likely to be similar.

So, don't worry too much about "avoiding conflict"; merchants perceive the use of force as setting the rules of the game, establishing the boundaries of what is permissible, etc.

And even if we do end up arguing, it's not a big deal; it's much better than allowing a cheater to win the tournament.
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I think I wrote about Pandora's Boxes quite a few times, no idea why it wasn't added to PhysMig.
There is a table in Useful Info /topic/at/281304/

We could also recall a "funny" chain of facts.
A tournament on Jebus Cross. Transitional games.
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Katherine
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1.02.12 Katherine (red, Stronghold, Dessa, Mephala) def gmlggg (blue, Rampart, Kyrre, Kyrre) SoD, Jebus Cross, 125
On week 1 I see 3 Dragon Fly Hives, a Cyclops nest and 2 creature nests. Utob, no Conflux, I go straight to the center. 122 - ГО (25-49 nagas) gives way to Mephala with Mass Slow, 9 bears and 22 Wyverns. Was very happy, took the necklace +3 all stats, Cape of Velocity and another Dragon Fly Hive, then Kyrre comes out on 123, I am forced to retreat due to lack of mana. 124 I stock up on her and run back, 125 I see His Majesty on the ramp-up, I fly up, put on the bracers, GG. Thanks for the game
Katherine showed a decent level of play. Is this her skill level or cheating? The saves of this game were not analyzed.
There was no confirmation. I wonder if the Chinese player viewed the saves?
Most likely he analyzed and communicated with his own people.
If you then also Google our discussion about our attitude towards cheaters, an outside observer might very well get the idea - if THAT is allowed for them, then there's no need to even mention maphack. Maybe we got a response?
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I bet he didn't have any restarts left in this hand... and he played with what he had... and played it in the best way possible.
I looked through his history on Asiasoft, and indeed, he used up all his restarts.
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:wtf: They're everywhere... Reading this thread has disappointed me more than watching the World Championship. This guy revealed a map while playing against another cheater, and it's even being encouraged by the Heroes community...

+1. I'm honestly shocked by all of this. :smile21:
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Ban the Chinese player. Are you guys going to keep being pushovers?
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Perhaps you should start by uploading all the save files from all the games featuring this Chinese player to this forum (fortunately, there are already quite a few). Then, you could examine each game, list the points of contention, identify the overall pattern, trends, and the player's habits – all for a comprehensive analysis.

As it stands, only 3-4 people have watched more than one game, while the rest are rushing to jump on the bandwagon. This is the easiest thing to do.

It's more difficult to then argue your position logically, rather than just making unsubstantiated claims based on emotional, hasty decisions.
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You should start by posting all the save files from all the games featuring this Chinese player (there are already quite a few). Then, for each game, you could list the points of contention, identify the overall pattern, the player's tendencies, and everything else needed for a comprehensive analysis.

Right now, only about 3-4 people have looked at more than one game, and the rest are just jumping on the bandwagon. It's much easier to do that.

It's more difficult to then argue your position convincingly, rather than just making unsubstantiated claims based on emotional, hasty decisions.
+1

Even though everything is clear from the three games, to make a convincing accusation, you need to gather more material. Stiki promised to get the Chinese player's save files from Maretti.
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