COMPETITION FOR MONEY $$$ (2012) — Tournament history (offline)

AmberSoler

14 years ago

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Ivanhoj

Maybe the issue is this: "for example, it's known that nwczion is remembered even after a restart if it's not deactivated by entering the same nwczion again."

After restarting what? ))) If you restart the game or the computer ))) the cheats are deactivated. The only cheat (from the cheat menu) that remains active after reloading a save is "View enemy towns," so it's recommended to always restart the game.

And in any case, Sniffer detects this cheat.

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Ivanhoj

14 years ago

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AmberSoler

After restarting what?)).

Sir Kirinyale can answer this question better. These are his words. Apparently, it's about saving the game. I personally have never restarted the game after using a cheat. So far, I've been lucky.

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AmberSoler

14 years ago

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Ivanhoj

I personally have never restarted the game after using a cheat. So far, I've been lucky.

You've never checked your final game version with a sniffer, am I right? If you have an archive, check it... just in case!

iceTiTaN

14 years ago

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Ksat finished the walkthrough today, 06/04/2012. It said "your rank is Archangel" :))) Whew, I'm glad it wasn't Gorgon...)
Gorbik reported his result today.
So, I'm ready to receive save files for review, if anyone has finished.

Dirty_Player, you can send me your save files, maybe I'll take a look and see if I can find any cheats that you didn't remove. Maybe you can replay it.<

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Dirty_Player

14 years ago

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AmberSoler

After restarting what? ))) If you restart the game or the computer, the cheats will be deactivated. The only cheat (from the cheat menu) that remains active after reloading a save is "View enemy towns," so it is recommended to always restart the game.

And in any case, Sniffer detects this cheat.

I also suspect this cheat from the menu. I checked all the saves with Sniffer, and they are all clean. Apparently, only those who understand the structure of the save file can clarify the situation, but I don't know any such people.

iceTiTaN

Dirty_Player, can you send me the saves so I can take a look and maybe find the cheat you didn't remove? Maybe you can replay it.

How are you going to catch them if Sniffer couldn't do it?
My result will be excluded from the competition in any case. I will announce it after the tournament.

Marmot

14 years ago

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I've been following the discussion about the cheat and save issue, and I couldn't resist asking a rather bold question:
Are you sure that the sniffer provides the absolute truth, i.e., that its result is 100% accurate and reliable? Can the author, Sir Kirinyale, guarantee that?

Dirty_Player

Apparently, only those who understand the save file structure can clarify the situation.

Exactly! Specifically, I would like to know: does the game record the use of cheats in the save file in a single byte as a flag (0/1, "cheats were used / cheats were not used"), or is there a separate flag for each cheat to indicate which specific cheats were used?
I'm asking because I used to download and run two versions of the sniffer, and my impression (purely superficial, as I'm a "zero" in modern coding) was that they were made "quickly" and "on the fly." :)
By the way, from the version history:

Version 4.1
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Fixed (presumably - until new bug reports are received) a buggy check
for cheating.

So, I wouldn't rely too much on the sniffer's opinion.

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iceTiTaN

14 years ago

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Marmot

So, I wouldn't rely too heavily on the sniffer's opinion.

When checking the save files, I will definitely use the sniffer. But I will rely on my own knowledge of this map. I will manually check all the main and unclear events.

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Dirty_Player

14 years ago

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Marmot

So, I wouldn't rely too heavily on the sniffer's opinion.

Unfortunately, due to the lack of alternatives, I have to trust the sniffer. It hasn't let me down before.

Ivanhoj

14 years ago

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Finished playing, preparing the save files for sending. There aren't many spectacular battles in my playthrough. I'm not Cristobal Junta; we're keeping it simple. :)
We can walk through walls, but it's clearly noticeable.

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Tolikandro

14 years ago

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Dirty_Player

Unfortunately, due to the lack of alternatives, I have to rely on the sniffer. It hasn't failed me before.

As an alternative, you can try searching for cheats using this program: http://heroesportal.net/tavern/?id=367658&pagenum=2#m370234

Dirty_Player

14 years ago

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Tolikandro, thank you very much. This program located the source of the error... The error occurs 20% into the beginning. :(

iceTiTaN

14 years ago

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:) Oops, my mistake. And what cheat was used, if you don't mind sharing?

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Dirty_Player

14 years ago

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iceTiTaN

:) mistake. And what cheat was used, if it's not a secret?

How would I know? It's not specified. It's not a "cheated" save because the cheat is directly in the save file, but because it was done like this: "cheat, load, save." There are no cheats themselves, but the save remains a "cheated" one.

iceTiTaN

14 years ago

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It's a pity. In any case, if a cheat is found in the save files, I won't be able to use them to determine the tournament results.
Although, as I understand it, you weren't really playing to win, were you?

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Marmot

14 years ago

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Dirty_Player

The save is considered a cheat not because the cheat is directly in the save file, but because of the "cheat, load, save" sequence. There are no actual cheats within the save itself, but the save remains flagged as a cheat.

I understand, the game's memory doesn't "reset" the flag indicating that a cheat was used. Therefore, for complete certainty, it's best to always exit and restart the game after using cheats – that should resolve the issue. And I hardly ever use them anyway.
P.S. I downloaded the ProspectorRT program; it seems like a good tool (by the way, I'll add a link to it in the "Useful Programs" thread). I tried to run it, but it doesn't work without Framework 2.0! :( I can, of course, download and install it, but why is there always a catch?

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