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In reply to Oelm
14 years ago
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Oelm
I don't know how he can win with such a setup as Maretti's.
Oelm
But with Maretti's terrible setup, there's still a chance.
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Oelm
I have nothing against Maretti's gameplay; what bothers me is the gameplay of the Hv players.
Isn't it funny? :)
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14 years ago
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The attached archive contains save files from one player, from five different games against various opponents. There is also a brief description for each unusual situation.
What is your opinion about player X – is he a cheater or just exceptionally skilled?
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14 years ago
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cheater.
I especially liked the description of this player's gameplay in the 5th game, in English.
Although we will find defenders on our portal, saying that it was Cobra who came to visit or something else :))))

The other day, I was shown a screenshot of a game by one player, where it is visible that one guy is playing in a tournament and has another version of the game open... and they still come up with excuses.

I don't know, I don't understand why people need to cheat... for a medal on their profile?
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14 years ago
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StickyFingaz
The attached archive contains save files from one player, from five different games against various opponents. There is also a brief description for each unusual situation.
What is your opinion about player X – is he a cheater or just exceptionally skilled?

Whose save files are these?
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14 years ago
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Satyr
Whose save is this?

It's clearly not a top player's save.

Regarding the topic, in my opinion:
1. It looks very much like a maphack.
2. There's nothing particularly wrong with it. You can run through the desert with a passfight because the game shows that it's the only remaining part of the treasure. Or you can fight. It's up to the author.
3. and 4. I'm not sure. I would take the Pope, although why not leave it for the Loch? The chance of gaining experience is 25% in the first case, and I don't remember how much in the second, something like 33%.
5. I didn't understand the English description, but judging by what I saw, taking the Utopia from under the opponent's nose is a very logical move. Then either bribe or rely on luck in the form of control and that the opponent doesn't have chains. The fact that Tiaz settled in the city is also a logical decision. Returning home means giving up the Utopia and the strategic dungeon to the opponent. The question is, what was Tiaz doing in that area with the crypts?

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Yesterday, I talked to the author of the saves, and in some moments, he quite logically explained the reason for his actions. The main thing he's right about is that these saves are taken out of the game; you need to watch the whole game to understand the reason for any actions. If you watch a dozen games of any player, you'll find similar snippets in everyone's games.
There's an article by Vik about recognizing maphacks; it clearly explains that you need to watch many games of a specific character, study their playing style, and only then draw conclusions.
Regarding these saves, I won't say whether there was a maphack or not, but I've known this player for a long time, and he hasn't been caught doing something like this, but he has been caught doing something else: thinking outside the box.
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14 years ago
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Tomorrow afternoon, we'll be playing against Thinkeer. I'll post a link to the stream on the forum when we start!
In reply to StickyFingaz
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14 years ago
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I watched 3 games... and didn't continue. The only thing that was very obvious was that in the first game, he found a utopia in the corner; everything else seemed normal. Who is the author of these games?
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14 years ago
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It is impossible to form a correct opinion based on fragments of games.

Regarding the case with 2 versions of the game:
For example, both SoD heroes and VT heroes might be available. I often check games that interest me in VT during the opponent's turn. Which, by the way, others told me about (something like HD-MOD triggering).
In reply to StickyFingaz
14 years ago
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StickyFingaz
The attached archive contains save files from one player's games against different opponents, across five different games. There's also a brief description for each unusual situation.
What's your opinion on player X – is he a cheater or just incredibly skilled?

Yeah, Sticky has really gone off the deep end. And the save files are from my games with Blacknight and Pete. I think it's Blacknight who's spreading rumors about his reputation.
In reply to Oelm
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14 years ago
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Oelm
It is impossible to form a correct opinion based on fragments of games.

Regarding the case with 2 versions of the game:
For example, both SoD heroes and WoL heroes might be open. I myself often check games that interest me in WoL during the opponent's turn. Which, by the way, some people told me about (something like HD-MOD triggering).
Additional saves would have given nothing, only confused the situation.
I believe that one or two can still be written off as chance/noobishness, but any more than that and unpleasant thoughts start to arise.
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14 years ago
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How can this additional information be harmful? Well, for example, I once had a game where I had to destroy the main hero in the Conflux to learn water magic in the Town Hall, and then go to the stables. But something went wrong, and I ended up going straight to the stables. The funny thing was that, firstly, I got the water skill as the next skill, and secondly, I won an important battle. If you consider such moments, you can attribute maphacking to anyone. In short, right now, it looks like a catatonic delusion.
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14 years ago
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Redwhait HP
Additional saves wouldn't help; they would only complicate the situation.
I still think that one or two instances can be attributed to chance/inexperience, but more than that starts to raise some unpleasant thoughts.

They would provide quite a bit of information.
How often does a player not take Pandora's Box, how often do they jump into the dark without scouting, what skills do they choose when leveling up, and so on....
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14 years ago
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Redwhait HP
Additional saves wouldn't help; they would only complicate the situation.
A single save is like a phrase taken out of context. You need to look at the entire game as a whole to know, or at least have a general understanding, of what the player was thinking and what their plan was. I haven't looked at the saves, but I'm sure that additional saves definitely wouldn't hurt.
Javdet
If you look at a dozen games from any player, you'll find similar situations in each one.
+1. Heroes is a game where you sometimes have to make moves blindly.
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14 years ago
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Oelm
It is impossible to form a correct opinion based on fragments of games.

Regarding the case with 2 versions of the game:
For example, both SoD heroes and VT heroes might be open. I myself often check games that interest me in VT during the opponent's turn. Which, by the way, some people told me about (like HD-MOD was triggering).
Another one is under suspicion now :)
Idk how you can watch another game while playing a tournament. Is everyone here a genius?
You need to concentrate on one, especially when there's a time limit.

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