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Message counter system
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Each section has its own unique counter
23.8% 5 votes
General counter for the entire forum
28.6% 6 votes
Leave it as is
66.7% 14 votes
First things first, remove Mafia from the counter
14.3% 3 votes
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Offline Ment
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#108
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Moderation, for example, leaves much to be desired in many places.
Well, gradually... Look, a moderator appeared on the forum who had been sorely missed there (previously, you had to contact the coordinator regarding flame wars). After all, everything depends on the users.
 

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Why didn't I decide to do it? I've been saying for a long time that I'm in favor of disabling the counter in "Mafia."
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Yeah, TES, Allods, Mass Effect... I'm saying that our website has long ceased to be solely about Heroes. While we may not be as multi-themed as ag, the laws of this very multi-thematic approach apply to us to some extent. Fact: not all newcomers who visit our website come here because of Heroes. In my opinion, this is enough to not talk about our forum strictly as a Heroes resource.
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By the way, if we summarize the newcomers who don't just come for a day, just to ask one question and then never log in again, the Mafia section easily outperforms many Heroes sections, and that's also an indicator.
Well, yes, it's flooding, but it's about computer games, unlike the Mafia. And if the Hive is moving towards expansion, that's good, but if that was the plan all along, it won't become flooding later...
In my opinion, the ideal solution would be to introduce a separate counter for each section (the section only displays its own counter), but that's complicated, so it's better to enable the counter everywhere. When a forum ceases to be narrowly focused, the counters no longer reflect the real authority of a forum member, but only reflect activity, and not very accurately (when moving from section to section).
Therefore, I see three solutions, which I would rank in order of priority according to my IMHO:
1) Separate counter everywhere (the section only displays its own counter);
2) General counter (enable everywhere);
3) And only then, disable the counter in the Mafia...

However, if there are ranks with names that correspond to the sections, then all of this is unnecessary
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We had one such guy, he was called Root of Evil. He professionally filled his post count with meaningless flood posts. And it's not a fact that he's the only one like that on the entire internet. As they say, draw your own conclusions. At least in the Mafia, only those who signed up for the game engage in flooding.
А, вот почему.

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the counters no longer reflect the real authority of a forum user
Authority? Oh, nonsense. It depends little on the counter. Unless for a person who has just joined the forum. And even then, moderators have, or at least should have, much more authority. As an example of knowledge, judgment, and culture, etc.

So, you remove the posts in the Mafia section, then what? The next post-padding section will be the Heroes VI section, where there are a lot of posts about how cute the units in the game are. Is it informative? No. Is it useful? No. How are the posts in the Mafia section worse? In no way. Oh yes, of course, it relates to the heroes. In my opinion, with a big stretch. You can also throw the Heroes VI section in the direction of, for example...Neverwinter.

All of this is just pointless arguing. It doesn't make things any better or worse. In every section, there are its own heroes, and sometimes there are anti-heroes. They are the ones who determine the atmosphere on the forum.


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So, you'll remove the posts in the Mafia section, and then what? The next section to be filled with pointless posts will be the one about the 6th game, where there will be a ton of posts about how cute the units in the game are. Is it informative? No. Is it useful? No. Are the posts in the Mafia section any worse? No. Oh yes, of course, it also applies to the heroes. In my opinion, it's a stretch. You could just as easily apply this to, for example, Neverwinter.

All of this is just pointless arguing. It doesn't lead anywhere. In every section, there are always heroes, and sometimes anti-heroes. And it's them who determine the atmosphere on the forum.
You can see that I put the idea of only eliminating the Mafia section last and suggested another option. Why is everyone so fixated on the Mafia section? Can't we find another solution?

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Authority? Oh, nonsense. It depends very little on the counter. Unless it's for someone who has just joined the forum. And even then, moderators have much more authority, or at least they should. As an example of knowledge, reason, culture, etc.
That's what I'm talking about. And also some school kids, etc.
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#114
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So, you remove the posts in the Mafia section, then what? The next section to be filled with pointless posts will be the Heroes of Might and Magic VI section, where there will be a bunch of posts about how cute the units in the game are. Is it informative? No. Is it useful? No. How are the posts in the Mafia section worse? In no way. Oh yes, of course, this also applies to the heroes. In my opinion, with a big stretch.
Never mind, I'll cut it down :). If it doesn't look too much like spam, it can be moved to a separate topic, as there are many topics about discussing the appearance in the Heroes of Might and Magic V section.
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There is a separate counter everywhere (only the native counter is displayed in the section)
What does "native" mean here?
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Цикл "Закадычные враги": "Особенное гостеприимство, "Супероружие", "Меж молотом и наковальней"
"Падение Шантири"

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No problem, I'll just cut it out :). If it doesn't turn into pure off-topic chatter, we can move it to a separate thread; there are plenty of threads about discussing the visual aspects in the "Heroes 5" section.
That's not a bad thing. It's a normal course of events when a new game appears.


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Не думай, что будет потом,
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Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!


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#116
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Winner

And how does it "display natively"?
In a specific section, it will display the number of messages posted only in that section.
For example:
Mafia: 455
Heroes 3: 566
Chatter: 999 ...
You can also add the total number of messages:
Mafia: 455/2020
Heroes 3: 566/2020
Chatter: 999/2020 ...
But that's complicated, and it's probably easier to just allow a simple counter everywhere...
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Everywhere? I don't think that's a very good idea; we'd have to introduce level 8 units, like in Woge :)
It's possible to create separate counters. It might be a bit complicated, but it would be perfectly logical.
 

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It is possible to create separate counters. It might be a bit complicated, but it would be extremely logical.
Why? For what purpose? I'll repeat myself: there is no semantic difference between off-topic posts in the "everything about everything" section, "mafia" games, and posts about the beauty of units in Heroes 5 and 6. So why should they be valued differently? I can understand if there is some kind of gradation between posts that contain reports of gameplay, published articles, a description of the analysis of a particular tactic for capturing an important object on the map, etc., and everything else... But a gradation based solely on sections is nonsense.


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Не думай, что будет потом,
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But grading purely by sections is nonsense.
Grading? What does grading have to do with it? There will be a hierarchy of only 2 levels. This is a standard distinction for "our own." This way, we can identify a player's activity within their respective section. And we can create ranks within the sections: Honorary Flooder, Soul of the Mafia, etc. :D, and moderators should already be responsible for eliminating off-topic content from these sections.
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Honorable flooder
All that remains to add to this "title" is your avatar.


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Why include a counter everywhere? Are they out of their minds? It's not needed in the off-topic section, so let's keep the current system.

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Zybr
All that's left to add to this "title" is your avatar.
Oh-oh, and he's also a moderator :smile29:. Pitchforks for him... :D

Actually, before the introduction of ranks, dividing the counter would be great. And the ranks should correspond to the sections...

Turns out, it wasn't my fault (someone moved the discussion thread and left the first post under my name). So, I'm creating a poll.
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