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The main thing is that it wasn't earlier, which means there was no talk of any "heroic" mafias.

Well, then there are no arguments. Everything is based on your personal desires and views on how the forum should look.
Okay, some other feeling is bothering you. And if you remember who raised this topic...
Do you really need this? Some people need it, a large group of people are against it, but will you stand your ground?

You're quite the psychologist! I need this, and it's all based on logic. There's a message counter, there are sections where it's turned off, and I like it. I suggested turning it off in the section where it should be turned off, again, logically.
And the group of people who agree with me isn't that small; I even thought it was a large group, they just fell silent. :(

Hommi, honestly, these are very ambiguous suggestions. It's one of those cases where it's better to leave things as they are so that half the forum doesn't get upset about the new features later.

Everyone who is currently against my idea claims that they don't care about the number of messages, so why would they be upset?

I disagree with your idea, and I do care. That's one. Secondly, the counter should be disabled in the off-topic section. Mafia is not off-topic, at least with proper moderation. Problem?

I disagree with your idea, and I do care. That's one. Secondly, the counter should be disabled in the off-topic section. Mafia is not off-topic, at least with proper moderation. Problem?

This topic, for example, is also not off-topic, but for some reason, the counter is also disabled. Although, you made me think of something else - to enable the counter everywhere except for the WoW section. But then it would also be good to provide a link to other sections on the main page that are less related to Heroes or not related at all.
No problem, dude!

P.S. I wrote to the Creator to read the topic and answer something.

The problem is that there isn't enough moderation. And the previous experience, which has already been discussed in this thread, suggests that it won't improve.

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Did I somehow create a topic? :) It was moved from that other topic after all.
Ment, sorry, but why isn't the Mafia topic considered spam if it's not related to the Heroes series or even close to it? The main page of the website is what defines things, and there it's only Heroes or something similar.
Just add a poll, and it'll be fine.

Yes, TES, Allods, Mass Effect... I'm saying that our site has long ceased to be just a "Heroes" site. While we may not be as multi-themed as ag, to some extent, the laws of this very multi-themed approach also apply to us. Fact: not all newcomers who come to our site do so because of "Heroes." In my opinion, that's enough to not strictly consider our forum as just a "Heroes" resource.
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By the way, if we summarize the data on newcomers who don't just come for a day, ask one question, and then log out forever, the Mafia section easily outperforms many "Heroes" sections, and that's also an indicator.

Is there a counter enabled in the Mafia game on ag.ru?

There is no Mafia game here, but it is enabled everywhere, moreover, it is common for all subforums. There is a Mafia game on the Portal, and the counter works.

And the group of people who agree with me isn't that small; in fact, I thought it was quite large, it's just that they've all gone quiet. :(

Because arguing with those who engage in pointless chatter is useless. Look at how the situation has unfolded among the actively participating members: you and Zubr are for removing the counter, Ment and Ar are for keeping it, and Pobeditel can't make up his mind. It's 2-2-1, and the ones who want to keep the counter are the ones who engage in pointless chatter.

Now, let's look at the facts. Comparing HEROESWORLD and cross-platform AG and similar games is incorrect. On all thematic forums dedicated to a specific game and/or series of games, there are perfectly normal sections dedicated to other games, and in those sections, the counters work. But in forum games, the counters don't work anywhere because it's all just pointless chatter. In the end, if you want to play Mafia, there are special forums. Yes, you can say that forum games have their own fans, like the aforementioned TES, Allods, and so on. But the thing is, in forum games, the number of posts starts to skyrocket, which is normal, but because of this, the focus of the forum shifts. No other game, whether it's KB, SW, or something else, will have as many posts and threads in the forum dedicated to fans of Heroes. And there will be a chatter sub-section. As for moderating the chatter section, Ment, don't make me laugh. Everyone who could moderate it doesn't care about it. The section has turned into a swamp of pointless chatter.

Now, let's look at it from another angle. New people are coming here now to play Mafia. That is, the forum is growing. Is this good or bad? Look, Lynx, who was actively advocating for keeping the counter, has 1200+ posts, and they were all made in the Mafia section. And she's not the only one. But the forum is a Heroes forum. Will this newly arrived "Mafia community" (in quotes, because I wrote about Mafia on HW above) become part of the Heroes community? No. The regulars of the chatter section still sometimes appear in the Heroes sections, but the Mafia players don't.

And in conclusion, we have a lot of people on the forum who have nothing to do with Heroes but are... how can I put it more gently?... are representatives of low-quality Mafia players. That is, there's nothing to be proud of. And since there's nothing to be proud of, the counter should be removed so that we don't embarrass ourselves.

Omega, half of this thread is just a dispute between Hommy and Zubr. Zubr thinks that the counter should be left. What a dirty spammer he is!

Why write to the Creator when you can just call the Kremlin directly?

Omega, I just gave the Portal as an example. They have a website dedicated to heroes that is much larger than ours, and there are no Mass Effect sections. They have a mafia section, and also a wardrobe section (similar to our off-topic section). But they don't bother with a counter at all: it's simply enabled EVERYWHERE. Comparing it to ag.ru is very appropriate; according to your logic, it would be bad if some User1 posted 5,000 messages on a forum thread about heroes, and then came to the Half-Life thread and started posting there. How is that? He has 5,000 messages, but only one post on the Half-Life topic! He should be banned from the thread!
In my opinion, Hv is actually stricter with the counter than any other place. This isn't a bad thing, it's even good, because otherwise people would just increase their message count by posting off-topic. But making it even stricter, especially at the expense of the mafia section – which is a perfectly valid section of the forum, no worse than others... Well, you understand that this is a completely counterproductive move.

Yes, you can say that forum-based games have their fans, like the aforementioned TES, Allods, and others. But the thing is, in forum-based games, the number of posts starts to skyrocket, which is normal, but because of this, the center of the forum shifts.

Exactly! Well said! I would add: "the center of gravity of the forum." However, I don't understand why there is so much criticism directed at the mafia? It might be flooding, but the activity on the forum has increased significantly.

Omega, half of this topic is a dispute between Hommi and Zubr. Zubr believes that the counter should be left. Oh, he's such a dirty flooder!

And I still don't understand how Zubr thinks. After all, he was attacking both sides. :)

I still don't understand how Zubr calculates things. He attacked both sides.

I would leave the counter as is. If we're going to bring up this issue, it should only be when ranks are introduced. Right now, the number of posts doesn't carry any meaningful weight.
I was making noise because there are much more important problems.
For example, moderation in many areas leaves much to be desired.