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Should reports from Katherine be taken into account for the season ranking?
83 voters
Multiple choice Public votes Closed 2012-04-26
This poll is closed.
Yes, I wouldn’t mind playing with Katherine
25.3% 21 votes
Yes, but I won’t play with Katherine
20.5% 17 votes
No, ignore reports
14.5% 12 votes
We need to develop a system for rehabilitating cheaters
19.3% 16 votes
Cheaters should be banned
27.7% 23 votes
I don’t really care, but I like taking part in polls
16.9% 14 votes
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Offline dnaop-wr
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Katya, change your avatar to a topless Baba Yaga – then there won’t be situations like “if the cheater is a girl and also beautiful… and if she gives a topless photo, we’ll forgive her… and if she also flirts, let her cheat.” Ignorance of the law does not excuse one from responsibility for violating it. But the offender should have a chance for rehabilitation, especially if this is not a repeat offender. Even in the Criminal Code, it is stated that for some articles, for the same crime, depending on the circumstances, there is a different punishment – for example, from one to three years, or imprisonment, or probation, or just a fine. Objectively, Katya deserves punishment (the law must be binding on everyone) – but not to the fullest extent. Regarding other cheaters – in maps, there is a term “to play the race card” – when a cheater (usually with accomplices) starts accusing the opponent of cheating, confuses him, entangles him, puts pressure on him, instead of calmly figuring things out, and thus appropriates a victory that might not have actually happened.
Техника в руках индейца мертва.
Справочник по НоММ-4 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-heroes-iv.html
Памятка по НоММ-3 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii.html
и HotA http://handbookhmm.ru/vyishla-obnovlennaya-pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii-hota.html
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Offline R55Max
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And really, Max, you could have fewer letters — it's tiresome not just to read, but even to contemplate what you've written)))
Imagine how much I despise cheaters

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R55Max, and how many games do you have registered on HeroesWorld yourself? And when do you plan to reach the mark of 200 games yourself!? or better yet 400 games!?
I counted 180+ games in the rating, if I didn't miss any. Over 2 years, taking it easy, I think it'll come out to 220-250. 400 can be farmed in 3-4 years. Why did I write a large number of games? Well, because a person having the incentive to shake off a ban with the number of games will in any case be shaking them off with their own inferior games (something like a surrender on turns 111-114).
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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... Why did I list so many games? Because when someone has an incentive to reduce their ban by playing a large number of games, they will inevitably play those games in a subpar manner (something like getting a score of 111-114).
The idea isn't exactly new, but who among those who have played against such a "stamp-producing" player will later advocate for their rehabilitation?
25 full games are more than enough, even if a couple of them are lost early due to a quick defeat, provided, of course, that the games aren't played against the same opponent (or two or three).
50 games is already a lot, except in cases where a person has nothing else to do. At the Michurinsk tournament, 18 people played a total of 27 games in 4 days, and there were quick games due to early losses, and for the first 3 days, despite the alcohol and poker, they played for 12+ hours without a break, and at night in the dormitory, they finished games on their laptops.
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Yeah, there's something to it... playing 200 games... I still don't quite understand what it is, though...))
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Pit for LM
We have a cheater here. We’ve given him a Champion of Might and Magic title, which means he can no longer participate in official tournaments. Should we allow him to play in the season, which is also an official tournament, or should we not include these games in the ranking? Some believe that cheaters should be banned immediately and permanently.
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Why put “everyone under the same hat”?
A repeat offender cannot be cured, but another one should definitely be given a chance.

It is as difficult to stop cheating as it is to quit smoking or drinking, and it requires a growth in awareness.

There is an Appeals Committee (AC) on the site – respected and experienced players: Dirty_Player, LeBron, Mizrael, Pit for LM, scorp, vbn, Dubrovin Pavel.
Each specific case requires its own individual decision by the AC.
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The only thing I can't stand is when a female cheater is also beautiful… but if she sends a topless photo, we’ll forgive her… and if she lets us touch her, let her cheat.
/topic/at/554927/
Am I the only one who hoped to see a picture at the link instead of another wall of text?
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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That makes sense too.
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Satyr
I was the only one hoping to see a picture at the link, not another wall of text?
No:smile44:

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no, there's something to it... playing 200 games... I don't really understand what...))
And after dozens of years of hard matches, they'll take away your Champion of Champions title:D go for it:smile04:
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Albert@swell no, there's something to it... playing 200 games... though I really don't get what exactly..))
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And after decades of grueling matches, they'll strip you of the World Champion title:D go for it:smile04:Considering you'd also have to write a detailed report for each one, the person would most likely develop a literary gift, become a famous writer, drop Heroes, and about a dozen-odd years later write in their autobiography how they developed their talent thanks to HeroesWorld.;)
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Well, let those who voted for the first option play with it. At least play two games each, totaling thirty, and that will be your rehabilitation.
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25 full games is quite enough, even if a couple or three of them end in failure due to cheating early on, provided, of course, that you are not playing against the same opponent (or two or three).
In this context, naturally, if any additional obligations are introduced for cheaters during a game, then the number can be reduced, but 25 is too few (a person's mindset does not change in seconds – it is a long process). For example, an obligation to write a detailed report, attach save files, some kind of analysis... I was talking about a simple reality - wrote what he wanted (maybe just a brief summary) and that’s it.

200 games is a large number, but it serves as rehabilitation, so it should be large (this is punishment, not leniency). There are people who would advocate for a permanent ban right away, so this isn't harsh enough.

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I was hoping to see a picture at the link, not another wall of text?
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МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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200 is quite a lot. I suggest 25 plus some chores – laundry, cleaning, ironing, taking out the trash, feeding the fish. We could even organize a tournament to decide whose place will host the first game. There haven't been many tournaments lately.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.
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200 - that's a lot. I suggest 25 + community service - washing, cleaning, ironing, taking out the trash.

We could even organize a tournament to see who gets to experience the "first time" first.
For community service! Let's have an LPT-1 :D
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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Take Katya to Yekaterinburg, let her cook FOOD.
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theShevanesian
Take Katya to Yekaterinburg, let her prepare FOOD)

More accurately, she would be in charge of setting the table, or simply managing the snacks.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.
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