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What default time limit per turn should be set for playoff games?
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#942
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And is it normal that the opponent used the Air element without building a Guild?
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And does Air Strike require spells of level 4 or 5?
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За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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the opponent used viewing without having a spellbook :)

It's strange that Maretti didn't familiarize himself with such an important part of the rules:
5.6. Transitions between zones.
5.6.4. It is allowed to enter adjacent zones using Angel Wings, Spatial Gate, and Flight spells without destroying the guards. (only forbidden on Jebus)

I would like to see some kind of final battle :)
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Javdet
I guess it's still a matter of taste. Both balance and mini are purely random options.
On the mini-node, there can be such a large amount of resources that early archmages are often possible... and cons can also provide a lot. Balance is, of course, a lottery, but you have an advantage because your native ramp is much stronger than the Castle's. IMHO.
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Yes, Kostya, a controversial issue arose in the game (well, for me, it's not controversial, the answer is obvious). I took the opponent's Castle with a flight. Maretti disagrees with this, saying that you need to break through the guards.
Just copy this point for him:
5.6.4. It is allowed to move between zones using Angel Wings, Dimension Door and Flight spells without destroying the passage guards.


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and is viewing the air a spell of level 4 or 5?
well, if this magic were at least level 3, it would be okay. :)
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As I read the rules you can go from zone to zone without fighting the guards, but in this case the only guards there is between us is the big block and they have to be faught. If you can just fly in like that on a temp where the towns are so close and there is a big block that ruins the temp imho. Whoever gets DD and fly gets to big an advantage.
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Dirty_Player

well, if this magic was at least level 3, it would be okay. :)

I meant that the question is not about

"what level this magic would be," but rather that there are no rule violations, as viewing the air at level 1, whether with a book or without, is permissible, as there is no prohibition against it.

If it were a fourth or fifth-level viewing spell, then yes, it wouldn't be allowed without a guild, but that's obvious.

**I sometimes create a town portal without having the spellbook :D and nothing happens (not from a scroll).
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As I read the rules you can go from zone to zone without fighting the guards, but in this case the only guards there is between us is the big block and they have to be faught. If you can just fly in like that on a temp where the towns are so close and there is a big block that ruins the temp imho. Whoever gets DD and fly gets to big an advantage.

According to existing rules:
5.6.4. It is allowed to move between zones using Angel Wings, Dimension Door and Flight spells without destroying the passage guards.

Thus Javdet's action is correct.

I'm sorry, but always we played like this on 2sm4d3 template with a big block between players' starting zones. Mini-nostalgia has quite the same layout. The reason is probably that it's usually easier to destroy big block than to find transport magic. The situation changes on Jebus - due to weak guards in starting zones and possibility ho have relics there it's sometimes possible to get DD or fly very easily. Thus there is necessary to fight big block.
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We played the 2nd game. It was another mini-rush. (By the way, another point about balance that doesn't favor ramp-up Necromancy: switching from Kirrush to someone like Vokial is a feat for the strong of spirit))), while with Castle, such questions shouldn't arise). The generator now gave the opposite results: I got boots, 5 rations, wings and the Book of Earth in the very first treasure, while my opponent only got blocks. But even this outcome could have been... terrible))) Towards the end of the first week, the late hour and the temperature started to take their toll. By the end of the game, the losses were 4 angels, 8 ducks, some minor units, and a few demons. And that was with relatively easy guards. I entered the 127th town. The game was postponed, and then Maretti decided not to continue. I watched the first week of the stream, and Crazy really went wild with Lovers-4 :D :D :D Everything is correct - I could have gone for Minotaurs, but it just didn't work out financially, and I didn't want to take a bunch of free meat. Regarding the long debates about water on the 1st level-up: recently, it was chosen 3 times in a row, so I took it, and Earth came almost last. I just protected myself from such a situation. Besides, mass blessings and dispels can sometimes be very useful.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.
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Javdet
The game was postponed, and then Maretti decided not to continue.
Dad, what's the score? Am I right that it's 2:2? And you just need to win one more game? :smile03: Or am I mistaken?:smile11:
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2-1 score. (1-1 in games played)
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.
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#952
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Now I understand.
I mistakenly thought that a game with a main base captured on the wings and a game where Maretti decided not to continue were different games. :)
I apologize for the hasty conclusions.
I didn't read carefully, and emotions overwhelmed me:smile32:

I wish you luck in the remaining games.
Go for it-i-i-i-i!!!! :)

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Before the start of the next game, please indicate in the thread in advance if you will participate. Day, time.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
#954
Maretti def Javdet 2-1

Game 1: Pretty perfect game for me on mini nostalgica. Got Tazar as main. Swordsmandwell, 3 cons so had a good powerstack of angels. Log and gloves early. Week 3 i took tope in my area and after that full tope that gave earth book and wings. Made aas and monarcs and got very strong. Then went for his town that I took and moved on to one of his t areas where i found boots, red orb and shackles. He came to same t area where i could attack him and win easily.

Game 2: Again mini nostalgica. Saw boots day 1 and hoped they were in one of my comp players area. Turned out it was Javdets area, since i saw him pick them up day 1. Unfortunatly i was out of restarts. Allthough I got Hack I knew it would be uphill. Had no speed and felt things were going very slowly. When I was just about to get things going he flew in and took my town 127. Didnt know that was allowed, so lost moral and gave up. Had I known it was allowed I would have played it the same way, so that misunderstanding didnt change anything.

Game 3: 2sm4d(3). He used all restarts. Since I was red and saw a con, lvl 4 and lvl 1 dwells, had archers prebuilt, got alkin and took full crypt day 1 that gave swiftness I decided to play it. I quickly broke to offroad grass area and took an obs there. He was there so I ran back to avoid a restart allthough I could see that I couldnt avoid it if he would go for it. Went to uni and got tacs, but unfortunatly was offered water at 4 and 8. Took it at 8. 117 I suddenly found out I was low on money so attacked 14 unicorns to get acces to a tressurie. Was somewhat risky and lost a champ, but could have been worse. 121 I took a full tressurie and 122 con with throng that gave 2 angels. Then I moved Luna forward with one angel hoping i could reach a prison and with that hero take his 2nd town. Was 1 step short but saw another con that i went for with alkin, but placed another scout so that I could take his town next turn if I wanted to. He could see I had at least 2 angels and that I could be by him very soon. My stats was much better than his so I guess he ran a risk taking a con that turned out to be max and suicided there. GG. Thanks for playing.

I enjoyed playing in this tournament and I wanna thank the organisers for their effort and Indra for asking me to play in it and especially Sticky for his great effort in making streams and organising events in generel.

Seems global heating means colder winters in Denmark, so knitwear will always be welcome :)
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Waiting for confirmation of the game. And please format all game reports properly.

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TO Maretti: Please make a report in the standard format. For example: 06/01/2010 Player (red, Dungeon, Shakti, Shakti) def Player2 (blue, Inferno, Pyre, Marius) 2SM4d(3), 136 TO Javdet: For example: 06/01/2010 Player (red, Dungeon, Shakti, Shakti) def Player2 (blue, Inferno, Pyre, Marius) 2SM4d(3), 136
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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Maretti
Maretti def Javdet 2-1

Game 1: Pretty perfect game for me on mini nostalgica. Got Tazar as main. Swordsmandwell, 3 cons so had a good powerstack of angels. Log and gloves early. Week 3 i took tope in my area and after that full tope that gave earth book and wings. Made aas and monarcs and got very strong. Then went for his town that I took and moved on to one of his t areas where i found boots, red orb and shackles. He came to same t area where i could attack him and win easily.

Game 2: Again mini nostalgica. Saw boots day 1 and hoped they were in one of my comp players area. Turned out it was Javdets area, since i saw him pick them up day 1. Unfortunatly i was out of restarts. Allthough I got Hack I knew it would be uphill. Had no speed and felt things were going very slowly. When I was just about to get things going he flew in and took my town 127. Didnt know that was allowed, so lost moral and gave up. Had I known it was allowed I would have played it the same way, so that misunderstanding didnt change anything.

Game 3: 2sm4d(3). He used all restarts. Since I was red and saw a con, lvl 4 and lvl 1 dwells, had archers prebuilt, got alkin and took full crypt day 1 that gave swiftness I decided to play it. I quickly broke to offroad grass area and took an obs there. He was there so I ran back to avoid a restart allthough I could see that I couldnt avoid it if he would go for it. Went to uni and got tacs, but unfortunatly was offered water at 4 and 8. Took it at 8. 117 I suddenly found out I was low on money so attacked 14 unicorns to get acces to a tressurie. Was somewhat risky and lost a champ, but could have been worse. 121 I took a full tressurie and 122 con with throng that gave 2 angels. Then I moved Luna forward with one angel hoping i could reach a prison and with that hero take his 2nd town. Was 1 step short but saw another con that i went for with alkin, but placed another scout so that I could take his town next turn if I wanted to. He could see I had at least 2 angels and that I could be by him very soon. My stats was much better than his so I guess he ran a risk taking a con that turned out to be max and suicided there. GG. Thanks for playing.

I enjoyed playing in this tournament and I wanna thank the organisers for their effort and Indra for asking me to play in it and especially Sticky for his great effort in making streams and organising events in generel.

Seems global heating means colder winters in Denmark, so knitwear will always be welcome :)


It happened, I already lost my 3rd final, it looks like a pathology. Either I need to change my signature, or just quit altogether.

2 Maretti, respect - he won using restarts, played on a minimal map both times, I choked and the 2nd restart on day 112 could have been avoided. He finished well, even had a double. But he went into a con without checking, it was maxed, a clear loss.

Thx for game 2
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.