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What default time limit per turn should be set for playoff games?
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It took only 8 minutes to create templates for Jebus Cross, 8mm6a, and Mini-nostalgia
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18.02.2012
Javdet (Red, Rampart, Kyrre, Kyrre) def Pit for LM (blue, Conflux, Thunar, Luna) 2sm4d3 124 SoD

Petya took 111, the next hand I was itching to take it too, but Griffin Conservatory, Dragon Fly Hive, and Tactics. He rests that as well. In short, an opportunity arose to reroll towns, but on the very first hand from the start, 5 free elves and an external dwelling of horses, decent gold. Let's play.

Right away I didn't turn my nose up at water, to avoid being offered it three times in a row like last time.

On 113 a dungeon is taken, a day later a portal there, resulting by the middle of week 2 in 13 griffins of horses. One was killed in the max conservatory, though. There are 7 angels. I was tempted to go into a Dragon Utopia, but remembering my previous failure with Satyr, I leave it for better times.

Plenty of options, several scouted treasures, and in one of them a Helm, but the guard is sketchy — grays without oil will give a beating. The choice fell on a rush, I recall home, although I could have gone to the dungeon for a fountain. The army is with the scout hero. And then my heart sinks — on 123 Pit breaks ГО with Luna. If he reaches the castle, it's bad news. Got lucky — he stopped at the fork. I check the scout hero's mana — only 7, I boost water and Fireball. He has Tactics, unpleasant, a Mass Curse flies at me, but the birds and 4 angels are stalled. I counter it all with Mass Blessing, take out the archers, and the battle is won with the loss of one angel and 2 dendroids.

Thank you for the interesting game!
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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18.02.2012
Javdet (Red, Rampart, Kyrre, Kyrre) def Pit for LM (Blue, Conflux, Thunar, Luna) 2sm4d3 124 SoD
Yes, it was a fun game.
I took the first restart when I only got one secondary skill and had no gold, then I thought about 111 again (one road was completely blocked) - but there was Monere, Air Magic built, a decent army, and fortunately - I waited until 112 - but everything turned out bad, I had to restart. However, on the last generation, there was no question of a restart anyway.
111 - there are a bunch of crypts, some gold, a stable, and Luna. Along the road, two pillars for 1000 experience, where Erdamon experted Tactics. The exit to the grass secondary is guarded by Eyes and Water Elementals.
112 - to the snow secondary - Ice Elementals. We take the crypts, claim the chests, 8 heroes.
113 - scouted the GO - a horde of Manticores; in principle, Luna should break through easily because there's a Griffin Conservatory. The first levels successfully give Spellpower - already 6.
114 - another Spellpower boost (7), I see a very close passage to the opponent. A cunning plan formed here, and if everything had worked out, it would probably have been the only chance to win. For this, the Conservatory needed to have 1-2 Angels (preferably 2), then Luna would take it on 116, and Alkin with movement speed from stables would rush - by 117 he would definitely reach the capital and, with a couple of Birds, a couple of Angels, a couple of Psychos, half a hundred Fairies, two dozen Air Elementals, and some kind of shooter like 5 Magogs, would most likely end the game in my favor. But the Conservatory, alas, has 3-4, so it's postponed until 121.
115 - take the native secondary.
116 - take the Tower secondary.
117 - take the crypt for 5k on the snow with 2 Birds, then Luna runs through the Attack boosts and loots the Medusa Pit-4. Korbak occupies the external Air Elemental dwelling. Building - Birds in the Citadel.
121 - I bring almost everything, slightly short on gold for Air Elementals, Luna takes the 4 Angels without issues, losing only most of the Fairies and 1 Air Elemental. Seemingly everything is fine, but what to do next is completely unclear. The only convenient scouted exit to the treasure zone is into the Swamp; you can't really run around there. I don't particularly want to drag it out, and the army seems suited for an attack - so I decide to rush.
122 - replenish mana, visit the stable.
123 - I play pretty stupidly (didn't upgrade the Air Elementals, and wasted all mana on the GO), but at this point, the only thing that could have saved me was reaching the castle - but Luna is not Ciele... And in FB, of course, there was not the slightest chance.
Thank you for the game.
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Полуфинал: Javdet - Tiamath
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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maybe someone could create a report on the tournament, including how many and which Castles participated, how many battles there were between the Castles, and who won against whom. It would be interesting to see the statistics...
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24.02.2012
Javdet (Red, Rampart, Kyrre, Kyrre) def Tiamath (Blue, Dungeon, Shakti, Shakti) 8mm6a 137 SoD

Win of generator, thanks 4 game.

I've already crossed paths with Tiamath twice in this tournament, and in both quick games he won easily. Apparently he underestimated me; otherwise I can't explain his choice of template.

My starting position was very, very sweet – even without external dwellings, but with solid finances. 3 Griffin Conservatories, a stable right on the road, native Conflux opponent, which guarantees Earth and Air magic. And I played the first week decently – even I liked it. I also got pretty lucky: Kyrre's skill tree was ideal, a Town Portal scroll was found, speed artifacts were brought in by scout heroes, and I got Ivor with 6 elves from the prison.

After that I started playing very cautiously, moving my main hero only into explored areas and never went to the center, but there was plenty to do without it. After taking the Conservatories, Kyrre had a lot of movement points until mana refill, and I didn't know how to best use them. I found nothing better than spending a whole day going to the well; nearby there was an entrance to the underground, so I scouted it too. There was a +2 to all stats visitable location there, I ran to it, and on the way there were boots of speed:) Awesome!
By day 125 I got the license to portal, but the scroll itself had become irrelevant. I built the mana well and was only missing one ring for the elixir.

At the start of the third week, I take a weak tier 2 Dragon Utopia; all the scout heroes are level 7 and above, a couple of mages with Mass Earth. The home Dragon Utopia gets eaten – funny outcome: again no stat boosts, but 3 books. Eight minutes starts to not be enough:(
I run to the three-player area for the two already-revealed Dragon Utopias. I brought elves along so as not to leave them at home, hoping for Resurrects, but I miscalculated the mana and about 20 of them die there. Still, by that point it didn't really matter much. Stat boosts are still minimal, but I have enough movement points to portal and in the same turn use scout heroes to expand toward the AI opponents – toward the Rampart one, then toward the Dungeon one. Kyrre already has 4500 movement points.)) After the save, we only played one day – a scout on the escalator runs into Shakti with a powerful army, I attack, endgame is without options.

Tiamath's start was mediocre; no extravagances on his main (though he did reroll a Minotaur external dwelling and a Griffin Conservatory once), but what I don't understand is why Gunnar, who was already burned out by day 112, remained level 1 by the end. Especially since Shakti had no Logistics.

Thanks for the game.

Well, finally, I'll get to play Maretti – we have a score to settle.)))) Cobra could have just knocked him out right away instead of messing around, and then I wouldn't have had to go through so many good players
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Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Here are the saves from the last match, as requested. You can watch the full VOD on Justin; it turned out well, even though it's without sound.
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I wanted to attach the save files, but I lost the desire to do so again. Apparently, due to my lack of skill, the files barely compress in 7z.

And there's also a hassle with WinZip licenses.

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And according to the rules, this isn't a complaint, but rather whining and suggestions for the next tournament: :)

Why is there such discrimination against losers? The winner of the winners' bracket needs to win 4 matches to reach the final, while the winner of the losers' bracket needs to win 8 matches in the worst-case scenario (as is happening now). And as a result, the final starts with a -1 score difference.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Why is there such discrimination against losers? The winner of the winners' bracket needs to win 4 matches to reach the final, while the winner of the losers' bracket needs to win 8 matches in the worst-case scenario (as is happening now). And in the end, the final starts with a -1 handicap.
This was done to give some weight to the group stage and to encourage players to strive for 1st place in their group.
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Dirty_Player
This was done to ensure that the group stage had some significance and that there was an incentive to finish in 1st place in the group.

Apparently, I didn't explain it clearly: The final game starts with a score of 1-0 for the winner from the winners' bracket, which is a significant advantage. I've already made up for my 2nd place in the group, and even more than that:D.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Javdet
Apparently, I didn't explain it clearly: The final game starts with a score of 1-0 for the winner from the winners' bracket, which is quite a significant advantage. I've already made up for my 2nd place in the group, and even doubled it:D.
At the moment, the system is what it is, and congratulations on passing its lower threshold ;)

I was thinking about the system and its harshness. The only thing I could come up with, again considering the system's specifics, is to cancel that infamous (-1) in the final games if the winner from the losers' bracket wins 2 or more games against opponents who later became their rivals after being eliminated from the winners' bracket. In your case, these are Satyr and Tiamath.

Maretti - Javdet - the final of the tournament!

Good luck, guys.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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R55Max

Maretti - Javdet - the final of the tournament!
Good luck, guys!
Guys!
Crazy or other worthy people.
We definitely need to re-stream Mikog. Ask for whatever you want in exchange for it :)

Javdet
Good luck! With all my heart!!! :)
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Everyone who watched this tournament saw its participants, saw the games, and I think many understand that this tournament, with its high-quality lineup, is one of the best on this forum.

The tournament has already been very exciting, and I have no doubt that the final will be just as good. All that remains is to summarize the series of final games.

So, who can provide photo reports of the final games on the forum? I would do it myself, but my internet connection doesn't allow me to participate in the game quickly. We need several people so that we can always adjust to the time when Maretti and Javdet agree to play.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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Let's root for our own! Good luck, Javdet!!!
Убив один раз, становишься негодяем, тысячу раз - героем.
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+1 to the previous post. Victory in this prestigious tournament should go to player ХВ!))
Лучше дорого молчать, чем дешево говорить.
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I figured out the archive issue; the save files are located in the 10th post above.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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