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so that everyone can play and to avoid the Swiss system, could we switch to a group stage? In the Swiss system, everyone plays the same number of games, but losing 2-3 games significantly reduces their chances. However, in a double-elimination playoff, those who advance from the group of 4, for example, still have a chance to win after 4 games (assuming they lost 1 in the group and 1 in the upper bracket).

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So, ladies and gentlemen, the votes of the interested parties were divided almost equally. There is no clear advantage for either system. Each has its own pros and cons.
For me, the priority is the participation of all those who wish to participate in the tournament. :)\br\brAfter long and agonizing deliberation, after consulting with people who have influence on this forum, the following decision has been made:\brRegistration is now open again. Welcome to all who wish to participate.\brThe tournament format will be group stage and playoffs.\brGroup Stage\brTo conduct the group stage, all participants will be "seeded" into 5 tiers. The first tier will contain the strongest players, and so on, down to the weakest.\brThe seeding was not done by me, but by a person who knows the approximate level of play of the declared participants and has experience in running tournaments.\brGroups will be formed from these tiers based on the principle of "Maximum Diversity"

This draw reduces the chance that players with the same tournament rating will meet in the early stages of the championship.

Approximately, 8 groups of 5 people each.\brTwo players advance from each group.\brHere, I will again borrow the experience and wording of Scorpions :)

The main criterion for advancing from the group is the number of points scored (1 point is awarded for a win, 0.5 for a draw, and 0 for a loss). If several players have the same number of points, then additional indicators come into play (in order of priority):\bra) Berger coefficient\brb) Head-to-head result\brc) Time spent in the group\brd) Place in the seasonal ranking

The playoffs will be held in a Double Elimination system.\brThe 1st and 2nd places in the groups advance to the general playoffs - 16 people.\br\brThus, the players wassermann, Satyr, Kilgor, Ihtiandr\brhave been added to the general list of those who wish to participate.\br\brI really hope that there will be no storm of indignation regarding the repeated change in the tournament format.\brAfter all, we come here to have a good time, and a little waiting only increases the appetite :)\br\brThe draw will be held on Saturday, February 24, at 20:00 Moscow time.\brA broadcast can be made, but only on Mikogo.\brMy laptop can barely handle the stream.\br\brI think that's all I wanted to say :)\brI'm waiting for feedback :)

As mentioned before: "We are up for any kind of competition," but I don't think this tournament format allows for speed to be a factor.

Where did the group stage and playoffs come from? There was a vote, and this is nonsense. It will take too long, half of the participants will drop out, and some will just aim for the playoffs, resulting in a second elimination chamber.

As already mentioned: "We are up for any kind of fun," but I don't think this tournament format allows for speed.

Speed is implied by the template :)
A shortened (speed) run of the map, the time of one game :)

Where did the group stage and playoffs come from? There was a vote, and this is nonsense. It will take too long, half of the participants will drop out, some will give up in the playoffs, and it will turn into a second elimination chamber.

The vote didn't determine a clear favorite :(

So, Satyr, why didn't you vote?
I even asked you personally :)

The voting didn't result in a clear favorite :(

But why should there be a clear favorite? Most people made their choice. Honestly, all this fuss with the rules is just ridiculous.

I didn't vote because the Swiss map was already winning.

I asked you personally to vote :)

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Asked to include it in the voting header.

Only votes from players who submitted applications to participate in the tournament will be counted, including those who submitted their applications after 32 people had already signed up, i.e., wassermann, Satir, Kilgor, and Ihtiandr.

Honestly, all this fuss with the rules is just ridiculous.

Maybe it looks funny, but I tried to take everyone's wishes into account. It would be MUCH easier for me to run a Swiss-system tournament or a double-elimination tournament, where everything is simple and clear, and the program does everything for you, than to worry about groups and fear getting lost in them. I can draw the lots right now and wish everyone good luck. Because no matter what, there will be dissatisfied people. Selavi :)

Maybe it sounds silly, but I tried to take everyone's wishes into account.
It would be MUCH easier for me to run a Swiss-system tournament or a double-elimination bracket, where everything is simple and clear, and the program does everything for you, than to bother with groups, fearing that I'll get lost in them.

I could draw the pairings right now and wish everyone good luck.
Because no matter what, there will be dissatisfied people.
Selavi :)

So, where did the groups and playoffs come from in the first place? Initially, there was a double-elimination bracket, and everything was fine, but a few more people joined, and a Swiss-system tournament was suggested. You created a poll. The majority voted and made their choice in favor of the Swiss-system. The result: a group stage and playoffs. *there should be an emoji here that combines complete incomprehension of what is happening and a facepalm*

I should have done everything myself from the start. I studied the history of tournaments, conducted a poll, and then, no, the leaders who “have influence on this forum” intervened, influencing your opinion, and as a result, the opinion of the people in the poll was ignored. I think I'm not the only one who has never played a Swiss-system tournament, believed in its speed, and saw everyone join it, rejoiced in the poll, and rejoiced in the victory. But it seems that the "people who have influence on the forum" look at tournaments from some kind of their own angle.

Why was the draw scheduled for the 24th, but it's happening today? Can't you quickly divide the 40 players into 5 tiers based on skill in 10 minutes, and is there no one to help with the draw? You could have done this as soon as you decided to play in groups and published the groups as planned for today.

You are absolutely right. The Swiss system won the vote. I apologize for my erratic shifts from one extreme to another. I hope you will forgive me for this initial, unfortunate experience in such matters. I am ready to conduct the draw for the tournament using the Swiss system right now. I will create a new tournament from scratch, give access to Mikogo, and you can observe the entire process. 162278410

In my opinion, in such situations, or rather to prevent them, the organizers should decide on the game system before the registration opens. And then the players choose for themselves: if they like it, they participate; if not, they pass.

Initially, a Swiss system was used. Players registered, and votes were cast, with the consensus being that Dablu was better. In general, it's quite confusing. But next time, if it happens :), I will stick firmly to the chosen course.

Attention.
The draw for the first round has been completed.
Results are in the header.

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