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Offline Pit for LM
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The creator has started working on automating the ranking system in our HOMM3 community. I will provide him with all the specifics regarding the calculation of our ranking. BUT: The main issues that we need to resolve together are: What is the most convenient way for us to submit reports? How will this system be integrated into the forum? Many of you are probably familiar with various ways to implement an automatic ranking system in a forum. On Bay, the Report button is located at the top of each topic. To submit a game report, you need to click this button and go to a form that you need to fill out and submit; then the report is counted. The disadvantage is that the Report button is located in such a way that if you don't know it exists, you will never guess. A fairly convenient system is used on HeroesPortal. There, the tournament topic is divided into tabs: Discussion, Reports, Write a Report, Results, Statistics, Rules. When you select Write a Report, a form appears with the selection of the necessary data. There is also a good system on WCL, but it only records the fact of the game and the result; a description of the game is not provided. However, many of us write interesting and informative reports. I believe that some of you have seen other systems, possibly more convenient ones; please share your suggestions. Perhaps we could add a Report/Game Confirmation button or option in the message box at the bottom of all topics in our section. Then players will have the option to either write a reply message in the topic or add a report. What is best for us? Any other suggestions and comments are also welcome. I would greatly appreciate it if you would refrain from posting messages like: I'm not interested in the ranking, and who else could be interested in it... I will delete them without warning to avoid cluttering the topic.
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I don't like the system on the portal at all. It's because of the separate tabs. "Want to chat?" ))) We have a good system on the forum precisely because in the reports section, you can ask a question, express an opinion, etc. There, it's just dry reports, even if with comments from the authors.

But the tabs for writing a report, statistics, and rules can be attached to each tournament by default.
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Could it be that dreams come true? :smile03: :D

The main thing for me is that there is an option, I'm in favor of any variant :smile20:

If necessary, the button could be made larger, I think :D
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The reporting system on the portal is terrible. The reports themselves are in one place, the discussions are in another, and so on... It's much more interesting on the Battle.net platform. Simple and tasteful.
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The downside is that the Report button is placed in such a way that if you don't know it exists, you'll never guess.
I think those who need it will figure it out. In the seasonal ranking rules, you could add a help section with images for guest forum users.

The only downside is that on Battle.net, you have to manually type in the opponent's nickname. This is unacceptable for an automated system, as many people can't write the opponent's nickname without errors. We need to add the ability to select from a search of registered users.
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Make it like in the online StarCraft tournaments, like the Zotac Cup? With an automatic tournament registration system, a bracket with the ability to enter match results, send save files, confirm results, and write a report. Or do you need mandatory integration with the forum?
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Dirty_Player

The only downside is that on Battle.net, you have to manually type in the opponent's nickname. This is unacceptable for an automated system, as many people cannot spell the opponent's nickname correctly. There should be an option to choose from a list of registered users.

On Battle.net, there is a choice from a list. But because the list contains all registered users, including bots, and the selection is not automated (e.g., auto-completion based on the first few letters), it is inconvenient to use this selection, and it is easier to manually enter the nickname.

Besides, as far as I know, Battle.net has never had an automatic ranking system. The form is used exclusively to help with submitting reports.
For an automatic ranking system, in addition to the report form, at least another form for confirmations is needed.

Ideally, the system should, in my opinion, look like this:

- Reports with details are written in the tournament threads and in the thread for reports on regular games. The form should be similar to the Battle.net form, but better designed and with auto-suggestions when entering nicknames and templates.

- A button to call up the confirmation form, located in the post with the report. Or at least, when posting in the tournament thread, there should be a button to display a list of unconfirmed reports for that tournament.

- In the ranking thread, there should be statistics on reports, as it is now, but filled in automatically. Here, there should also be a list of all unconfirmed reports with the possibility of calling up the confirmation form and automatically redirecting to the corresponding tournament thread.

That is, the idea is to keep the familiar system for entering results, but the processing should be done automatically.

The topic of ranking systems is a separate one, but it is clear that there should be a way to easily change the formulas for calculating the ranking.
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In the battle, there is a choice from a list. But because the list contains all registered users, including bots, and the selection is not automated (autocompletion by the first letters, etc.), using such a selection is inconvenient, and it is easier to manually enter the nickname.


Yes, it is impossible to find anyone there. Thousands of users.

For convenience, it would be good to introduce a search by alphabet.
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So, if you don't like the portal system, there is no automatic calculation on Bay, and reports are not written on WCL, then you need to create something of your own. Here’s what we have now:
To leave a message on the forum, you either need to write it in the Quick Reply box or switch to advanced mode, which can be done in three ways – using the button below Quick Reply and two buttons labeled “Reply” at the top left and bottom left of the page. It seems that the most convenient thing would be to add two more buttons to these three places – "Write Report" and "Confirm Report." I drew some red rectangles as an example:
Moreover, these buttons will be available in all topics of our section; you can use them to write discussion messages and submit reports. This will result in a fairly clear system for everyone. And organizing user search doesn't seem difficult since it already exists in the Private Messages system.
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The forum should be used for announcing tournaments, reviewing applications, and resolving any issues. However, the actual statistics should be maintained on the website, but separately from the forum. There, participants will naturally fill out reports in a standardized format, attach save files, screenshots, etc., and the ranking will also be displayed there. This will simplify the process for those who manage the tournaments and those who review them. Furthermore, there is an opportunity to develop and improve the topic. An archive of tournaments by date, current tournaments, and just games. All names and in-game titles should be selected from a list. A simple and intuitive interface. It should be user-friendly.
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Leks
The forum should be used to announce Tournaments, review applications, and resolve any issues. The actual statistics should be kept on the website, but separately from the forum. There, participants will naturally fill out reports in a standardized format, attach save files, screenshots, etc., and the ranking will also be there. This will make things easier for those who manage the reports and those who read them. In addition, there is an opportunity to develop and improve the system. An archive of Tournaments by date, current Tournaments, and just games. All names and in-game titles should be selected from a list. A simple and clear interface. It should be convenient.

I don't see any advantage in such a separation. It's much more convenient to write a report with the results in the Tournament thread as usual, and the results are automatically transferred to the statistics and ranking thread - without the reports, only the result itself.
And how the results are sorted in the statistics is a different question.
It is clear that it would be desirable to have the option to view statistics separately for each Tournament. It would also be useful to have links from the statistics thread to the corresponding posts with the reports.
Pit for LM
It seems that the most convenient thing would be to add two more buttons to each of these three places - "Write Report" and "Confirm Report".
But it needs to be so that the confirmation with the report is automatically redirected to the correct thread. So that it doesn't happen that you open the form in one thread, and the confirmation and report remain there.
It would be better if the confirmation button appeared only for users with unconfirmed reports. And a message about the presence of unconfirmed reports upon login would also be helpful.
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I don't see any benefit in such a division.
It's much harder to find a report for a specific game on the forum. If everything is organized, there will be no problems! Also, it's easier to work with and develop a separate section.
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As I understand it, the portal has separate tabs for reports and discussions within a single topic, specifically to automatically calculate statistics. They either couldn't, didn't think to, or didn't deem it necessary to combine them.
If you need both discussions and reports together, you could probably do something similar to the portal, but add a duplication of the report text from the "Reports" tab to the "Discussion" tab.
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Lеks
It's much harder to find a report for a specific game on the forum. If everything is organized, there will be no problems!

That's what I wrote about above, regarding links to posts with reports. Or just a separate tab with the report.
Lеks
It's also easier to work with and develop a separate block.

The core of the system with statistics and ratings will already be in a separate block. What prevents further development? In the tournament topics, there are only data input forms.
Even if initially it's just a list of recorded games without any sorting and a rating table, it's already a big step forward.
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I don't know if it's possible to implement this (perhaps a separate module for the forum would be needed, which the creator would have to develop), but I suggest the following:

When the "write report" key is pressed, a choice appears: tournament report or fun game report.

Then, a form pops up. Similar to the current report header template:

01.06.2010 vbn (red, Dungeon, Shakti, Shakti) def invisible (blue, Inferno, Pyrrh, Marius) 2SM4d(3) 136.

It should be structured as follows:

01.06.10 - a free field for entering the date in the appropriate format
vbn - a field for entering the nickname with alphabetical support
(red - a drop-down list for selecting colors
Dungeon - a drop-down list for selecting castles
Shakti - a drop-down list for selecting all starting heroes from the selected faction of the starting castle
Shakti - a drop-down list of all possible heroes in alphabetical order or an empty field for entering the main hero's name)
def - a drop-down list with 3 options: win - lose - draw
invisible - a field for entering the opponent's nickname with alphabetical support
blue - a drop-down list for selecting colors
Inferno - a drop-down list for selecting castles
Pyrrh - a drop-down list for selecting all starting heroes from the selected faction of the starting castle
Marius - a drop-down list of all possible heroes in alphabetical order or an empty field for entering the main hero's name)
2SM4d(3) - a drop-down list of all possible templates or an empty field for entering the template name manually
136 - an empty field for entering the end of the game day.

Tournament reports should be valued more, not equated to seasonal ones, thereby we will increase the value of games in tournaments and the difficulty of winning a season by defeating average players and newbies.

When the "write report" key is pressed, a drop-down list appears with the choice of /<fun game>.
- then, when "tournament" is selected, a drop-down list of current tournaments (their names) appears.

When the "confirm" key is pressed, a drop-down list appears with all unconfirmed games where the confirmer's nickname is mentioned (there may be several unconfirmed games if there are several losses from the same player), but the games are submitted on the forum in the third-level branch.

It would also be nice to have a separate key that everyone could use to see unconfirmed games where the nickname of the person who logged into the forum is mentioned. For example, Pete, you search with a program for who has not confirmed what, but if everyone can see it, there will be fewer of them or none at all.

Adding a player's rating indicator on the forum under the avatar is also highly desirable (this would again require a separate module).
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R55Max
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That makes sense.
R55Max

Tournament reports should be valued more, not equated with seasonal ones, thereby we will also increase the value of games in tournaments

You speak the truth! That's logical! I agree wholeheartedly.
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