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Does changing an item's name to that of another item affect its properties?
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Yes, it changes.
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No, it doesn’t change.
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But the point of the legionnaire example was entirely different. It was about the fact that such armor existed and was used, and its creators clearly didn't think about making the soldiers look attractive.

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Plate greaves on the buttocks and one thigh. Plate shoulder pad, elbow pads, and leg armor. Plate crest (helmet? O_o) And that's it! There are no clothes, only a bikini. That's why.
Yes, probably it really is a breastplate.
And we can't see if there is armor on the chest, because she is standing with her back to us.
It's perfectly clear what she has on her chest; take a closer look.
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Imaris, the Moon Wolf
But I spoke with Revan. Moreover, everyone except Revan understood what I was talking about.
And what do you want to say with this? It's even worse when your interlocutor doesn't understand you. Use the Russian language so that he understands you. Believe me, if you call things by their proper names, everyone on this forum will understand you.

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Omega, Revan understands perfectly what he is being told, even when they don't "use the Russian language" and speak in jargon or slang. This is a rare case, as far as I can recall, where he didn't understand something so vehemently.
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But the point of the legionnaire example was completely different. It was about the fact that such armor existed and was used, and its creators clearly didn't think about making the soldiers look attractive.
Really? It existed and was used? I explained why it was the way it was, and not any other way. And I already said that some people went into battle completely naked. But that doesn't speak to its practicality or commonality. There was no such armor. No one made a plate breastplate on fabric, with holes in the plates, to make it easier to hit the nipples.
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Yes, it's probably really a breastplate bra.
You can clearly see what she has on her chest, just look closer.
First, we don't see it, maybe she has a second set of breasts covered. Second, there are cases like this - a seraphim from Sacred. Third, in the vastness of the Russian internet, and in general, the term "armor bikini" is not common, but "armor bra" is. Are you aware of what a black box is in airplanes? The one that is deciphered if a crash occurs. And are you aware that it is actually an orange sphere? But the term has become established, and no one wants to or needs to change it.

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Really? Was it actually used? I explained why it was the way it was, and not some other way. And I already said that some people went into battle completely naked. But that doesn't speak to its practicality or commonality. That kind of armor didn't exist. No one made a plate breastplate on fabric, with holes in the plates, to make it easier to hit the nipples.
Example with a legionary
Dragneel

Not the lightest version of Roman armor.
Okay, fine.

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This is a standard Roman armor. Suitable for regular troops, those you don't mind losing. For line combat.

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Firstly, we don't see if her second breast is covered.
After reading this phrase, I slapped myself on the forehead four times in a row; now my eye hurts.
Secondly, there are cases like this - a Seraphim from Sacred.
The Seraphim has a breastplate. And how is this related to the previous picture?
Thirdly, in the vastness of the Russian internet, and in general, the term "armor bikini" is not common, but "armor breastplate" is. Are you aware of what a black box is in airplanes? The one that is deciphered if a crash occurs. And are you aware that it is actually an orange sphere? But the term has become established, and no one wants to change it, nor is it necessary.
We have returned to the beginning of the topic: I replaced the name of that item, which I don't know anyway, with the word "armor breastplate" precisely for this reason. And you say that it cannot be replaced.
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After reading this phrase, I facepalmed four times in a row; now my eye hurts.
A shoulder pad on the left shoulder, a hip pad on the right. Why can't there be something similar on the chest?
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The seraph has a chainmail bra. And how is this related to the previous picture?
She has plate hip guards. It's simple; Spellforce characters can have them too.
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We've come back to the beginning of the topic: that's why I replaced the name of that item, which I don't know anyway, with the word "chainmail bra." And you say that it's not allowed to replace it.
It's not allowed. Because I didn't find any armor in the original picture. I found uncomfortable and impractical clothing for the forest, nothing more. The term "chainmail bra" is used specifically in relation to armor.

Why do I consider my picture to be a representative of chainmail bras, while the original one is not in this dispute? Because my picture has armor and a bikini, while the original one just has uncomfortable clothing.

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A shoulder pad on the left shoulder, a breastplate on the right. Why can't there be something similar on the chest?
Maybe. But you're writing as if you're grasping at straws just to defend your point. But the point isn't that, but rather that you used this picture as an example of a girl in a breastplate, but no one sees a breastplate on it, it doesn't matter if it's on the second breast or not, we'll never know, so why even use this particular picture as an example and write that there might be a breastplate? This also applies to the next part of your post.
armor and bikini
So, armor in one place + bikini in another = breastplate, great logic.
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The discussion about breastplates has already led to a discussion about pumps. And by the way, there's no need to bash the Legionnaires. They're decent guys, unlike your powdered-up elf girls.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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Imaris, the Moon Wolf
So, armor in one place + bikini in another = armored bra, excellent logic.
There is no definition of "armored bra" yet, neither on the wiki nor anywhere else. In general, people believe that this is impractical armor that only covers the chest and buttocks, but does not cover the stomach and legs from the top to the knees. In other words, it's a bikini (the term originated in D&D). Covering the legs below the knees and arms is not prohibited.

If you disagree with me, then tell me what an armored bra is yourself.

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Well, I understand the subject of the dispute to be that we definitely know what the subject is (for example, if it says "chair" on a table). That is, in this case, it is obvious that the table remains a table. But if we take as an example a conversation between two people and a third person eavesdropping, then the meaning doesn't change... It simply disappears.
 

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Ment is absolutely right, if I understood him correctly. Ment is right. Omega, you have just described a case where one item is called by a different name. We have returned to the beginning.
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