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13.01.2012, group H, Necrotal (red, swamp, Vistan/Labeta) def. crzq (blue, Conflux, Erdamon/????) 2SM4d(3) 114


Confirmed. I tried to build a decent army, but before that, the results weren't great – the birds wouldn't appear no matter what, and there weren't enough resources. In all the games, I never built any air units, and almost always, cultists/lacus appeared, but somehow, I still managed to get by. In the last game, I got a tiny starting area with 6 quest huts. From 2 native heroes, I got 35 fairies and 3 air units. It seemed like I was doing pretty well for the first three days, microing and managing resources, then I bought ice elementals and built them, buying more of them – I ended up with a pretty strong stack. On day 113, I decided to go along the path and attack the dendroids guarding the metro with a mage 1-0-3-3 and an archer with 40 speed. In total, there were 18 of them, and they all had high morale. The only chance was to try to run through the wilderness to the metro, chasing basilisks and pegasi. I was streaming, of course. Thanks for the game
In reply to JustObserver
14 years ago
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At least there's a chance that knowledgeable people will give you some advice, and you might understand what the mistakes are in your reasoning and what you should pay attention to in your game.

It's just that when you watch someone else play, everything seems simple, but when you try to do it yourself, a bunch of mistakes pop up.
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13.01.2012 iSeeDeadPpl (red, Stronghold, Gunnarsson, Gunnarsson) def A_I_D (blue, Rampart, Ivor, Ivor) 2SM4d(3) 117

After two restarts by the opponent (112+111) and one by me (111), we begin. Roads are fast; the second level in the Castle is not built; Gunna came with five Orcs; at the respawn there is an external dwelling of Goblins, Cons, Medusa Pens, Dwarf Cottage, gold scattered around; and a lookout tower above the Castle.
On the second day, I take the lookout and realize the respawn is quite small. The exit to the grass secondary is guarded by a lot of Cerberi; I discover two more Dwarf Cottages and an external dwelling of Goblins. I see the opponent, who has infiltrated from their respawn into Barbarian territory. I say there is no ГО between us and suggest a restart. No restart; we play on. There actually seems to be a ГО, but it’s very skewed. It consists of a pack of Storms, a pack of Silver Pegasi, and a lot of Energy Elementals. I set birds.
On the third day, Spogs of Speed are found in a cart; behind a lot of rags—a Sword +3; behind a lot of Imps—a Clover. I set one thousand, as a quick clash is expected and no money is forthcoming.
On the fourth day, I take artifacts; I don’t dare attack the Dwarf dwelling behind a lot of greased Lizards or the Medusae (Horde). I feel sorry for the Goblins and any single unit. I try to play very economically. Gunna levels strictly in Attack. Expert Offense is already available. I set Orcs.
On the fifth day, I do nothing because there’s nothing to do. Gunna visits an Attack boost, speeds up on birds, intending to take an Experience Stone and break through the Pegasi on the way to the opponent. I upgrade Goblins.
On the sixth day, the opponent offers a restart upon meeting. Roads are fast, so it’s no longer valid. I kill the Pegasi, hit the Dwarves; Gunna takes another Attack boost; I group my heroes so the opponent can’t slip through to my Castle along the road. According to plan, the Citadel is coming, but I’m 150 gold short.
The seventh day, as it turns out, is the last. I head along the road away from the opponent; it seems there’s a secondary there. Gunna breaks through another external dwelling of Goblins. I try to gather more gold. Toward the end of the day, Gunna returns to block the path to the Castle. I build the Citadel and pass the turn. The plan is to buy up everything—luckily, I have the money—and go to the opponent. Gunna is level 5 with 12-1-1-1 stats, Expert Offense, Advanced Ballista, Basic Tactics. The opponent, having bought everything possible, attacks.
Gunnarsson has: 50 upgraded Goblins, 3 birds, 1 Garg, 12 Orcs.
The opponent has: Ivor 4-3-3-2, two Unicorns, 3 Dendroids, 5 Pegasi, 7+7 Grands, 9 Centaurs.
The Ballista shoots like a railgun; in the first round, it takes out 7 Elves. The opponent writes ГГ, but we do play out the FB anyway. Though it’s hard to counter such a Ballista.
I didn’t check the opponent’s setup; they noted I got lucky. I completely agree, but on the other hand, that’s roughly why I picked Gunnarsson. You could say the gamble on him paid off fully.
Good luck to A_I_D in future games and thanks for the game.
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13.01.2012 iSeeDeadPpl (red, Stronghold, Gunnarsson, Gunnarsson) def A_I_D (blue, Rampart, Ivor, Ivor) 2SM4d(3) 117

After two restarts by the opponent (112+111) and one of mine (111), we begin. Roads are fast, the second level in the castle is not built, Gunnarsson arrived with five orcs, at the respawn area there is an external dwelling of goblins, a Griffin Conservatory, a Medusa Pond, a Dwarf Cottage, some gold scattered around, and an observation tower above the castle.
On the second day, I take the observation tower and realize that the respawn is very small. The exit to the grass secondary zone is guarded by a lot of Cerberi, two more Dwarf Cottages and an external dwelling of goblins are revealed. I see the opponent, who has infiltrated from his respawn into the Barbarian land. I say that there is no GO between us and suggest a restart. No restart, we continue playing. There actually seems to be a GO, but it is very crooked. It consists of a pack of Storm Elementals, a pack of Silver Pegasi, and a lot of Energy Elementals. I place birds.
On the third day, Speed Boots are found in a cart, behind a lot of rags - a Sword +3, behind a lot of Imps - a Clover. I place a thousand, since a fight is expected soon, but no money is in sight.
On the fourth day, I take artifacts, but I don't dare attack the Dwarf Cottage behind a lot of greened Lizardmen and the Medusae (horde). I feel sorry for the goblins and any single unit in general. I try to play very economically. Gunnarsson levels strictly into attack. Expert Offense is already available. I place Orcs.
On the fifth day, I do nothing, because there is nothing to do. Gunnarsson visits an attack booster, speeds up on birds, intending to take the experience stone and break through the Pegasi on the path to the opponent. I upgrade goblins.
On the sixth day, the opponent offers a restart at meeting. The roads are fast, so that no longer works. I kill the Pegasi, hit the Dwarves, Gunnarsson takes another attack booster, I group my heroes so the opponent cannot slip into my castle along the road. According to the plan, there is a Citadel, but I am 150 gold short.
The seventh day, as it turned out, is the last. I go along the road away from the opponent, seems like there is a secondary zone there. Gunnarsson breaks through another external dwelling of goblins. I try to gather as much gold as possible. Towards the end of the day, Gunnarsson returns to block the passage to the castle. I build the Citadel, pass the turn. Plans include buying everything up - fortunately, I have the money - and going to the opponent. Gunnarsson is level 5 with 12-1-1-1, Expert Offense, Advanced Ballistics, Basic Tactics. The opponent, having bought everything possible, attacks.
Gunnarsson has: 50 upgraded goblins, 3 birds, 1 Gargoyle, 12 Orcs.
Opponent has: Ivor 4-3-3-2, two Unicorns, 3 Dendroid Soldiers, 5 Pegasi, 7+7 Grand Elves, 9 Centaurs.
The Ballista fires like a rail-gun, in the first round it takes out 7 Elves. The opponent writes GG, but we still play out the FB. Though, it's hard to oppose this Ballista.
I didn't look at the opponent's layout; he noted that I was lucky. I absolutely agree, but on the other hand, this is roughly why I took Gunnarsson. It can be said that the bet on him fully paid off.
Good luck to A_I_D in future games and thanks for the game.
That's exactly it. I didn't expect 12 attack at all
In reply to zoog
14 years ago
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13.01.2011 Tootsie Pie (red, Tower, Eine, Nila) def Slyner (blue, Stronghold, Crag Hack, Crag Hack) 2с4d3 137

So it was. My native respawn was 10x10 tiles. On it, a Dwarf Cottage for 15 (took it on the 1st), 3 stat boosters, a Dragon Fly Hive for 20-49 ruins, a couple of piles of gold, and that's it. I only broke through to the secondary zones at the start of the second week. By the time I found where the money was, my opponent was already set up at the guard of the ГО. C'est la vie
Thanks for the game!
In reply to JustObserver
14 years ago
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JustObserver
At least there's a chance that knowledgeable people will give you some advice, and you might understand what the mistakes are in your reasoning and what you should pay attention to in your game.
If knowledgeable people just gave hints, it wouldn't turn into a step-by-step dictation.
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14 years ago
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Charizard
If knowledgeable people just gave hints, it might not turn into a step-by-step dictation.
Of course, on one hand, it's not ideal when every action is explicitly stated, but on the other hand, beginners might find it easier to learn the game with hints.
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14 years ago
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Scorpiona
hope there'll be a continuation?)
This kind of report is not accepted...
:smile38:

Nothing much to say, really.

All 3 respawns (native and secondary) were terrible – small, with no money buildings. Captured both castles in the first week. Build order: 1,2,3 in the Citadel. Inferno secondary – built pits. Have an idea to demonize on the second.

On the second week, I scrape together the remaining gold crumbs and a quest artifact for 40 dendroids, for which Ivor gets 10k experience. I pick up the minimum Griffin Conservatory. Nothing else to do on the respawn. The revealed treasure zone isn't impressive. I run to the opponent.

126: I break through 40 gorgons guarding the Dragon Fly Hive (strangely enough, I managed it without losses) and steal the opponent's mace for +4. I attack Valya with 1 angel and a few pikemen. She has 100 archery, and I don't have the spell book :(. We trade angels, I lose half of my grand elves. I attack the main force. Kill them almost without losses.

131: A fierce fight follows for the opponent's secondary (he has a double). It's hard to counter Valya with that archery and 40 mana. But I chase her back and forth. Valya takes all artifacts from the scout hero and heads toward my main. Ivor buys a spell book, builds a castle, brings over the remaining meat from Inferno. Defense. The castle did good work, I don't commit the archers (hoping for surprise, since I didn't have the book in the first battle) and it works. In the last round, I finish off the knights with archers and send Valya into oblivion.

The opponent disconnects and goes offline. Well, let's chalk it up to him already being late. Thanks for the game.
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14 years ago
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Tootsie Pie
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01/13/2011 Tootsie Pie (red, Tower, Einar, Nila) def Slyner (blue, Stronghold, Crag Hack, Crag Hack) 2cm4d3 137
Didn't quite make it to his second base by move 117; by move 134, he had 13 gold mines, 25 mages, and 200+ gremlins. The archers practically took out the Guardian - 70 nagas with GS (archers, which he doesn't seem to like), GG.
I was watching a replay where one of the players (I think he doesn't really like archers) cleared 2 tier 3 mines on the second day. And do you think archers would be useful against fifty vipers at that stage?)))))

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Yes, guys. There are a lot of losses in the early game. Believe me, losing early doesn't mean it's all over, GAME OVER. Your opponent might not be doing much better, and give him a chance to make a mistake :) Based on experience, about 20% of games (of course, this is just a rough estimate) can be won after losing. I'm too lazy to dig through old replays, it's been a while, but Decontaminator won a game even after being blocked near his Castle. He waited, skipped some turns, and won
In reply to scooter72
14 years ago
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The only thing I can mention is that, due to a superficial knowledge of the rules, we constantly doubted whether we were taking restarts correctly: "Where is subjective rest spent, and where is it not?"
As far as I remember the rules, if a subjective restart remains, it is always spent, with the exception of technical restarts (starting town, starting hero level 5-10, more than one castle, forgot to turn on metro or turned it on where it shouldn't be, etc.).
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14 years ago
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Group F, please update us on how things are going.
I see only 1 game has been played from your group.
Are your opponents not responding? :confused:
Let's not sit idle; we'll send each participant an invitation to play. :smile30: (we won't wait for them to come online; we'll write to them offline)
We're looking forward to your games.
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14 years ago
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Scorpiona
Group F, please update us on how things are going.
I'm ready to play with any teammate tomorrow.
Contact me at 488-052-571

P.S. Can anyone help me with Hamachi?
It can't find opponents, and my games aren't visible to others.
A dynamic IP and the provider's NAT shouldn't be a problem, but I can't seem to configure it correctly.
The traceroute sometimes goes to some IPs, but not all.

I've read:
http://forum.ixbt.com/topic.cgi?id=25:21301
http://otvet.mail.ru/question/47456822/

It didn't help.

P.P.S. Everyone, switch to GR (GameRanger).
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14 years ago
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7. At the end of the tournament, the winner will receive a medal with their avatar: "Winner of the 'Novichok-2012' Tournament. Winter."
Does it seem illogical to anyone else that they are using last year's medal in the 2012 Novichok event?

Here is how I think it would be better.
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14 years ago
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Javdet
Yes, guys. There are a lot of games where players intentionally lose in the first week. Believe me, losing early doesn't mean it's all over, the game is finished. Your opponent might not be doing any better, and give them a chance to make a mistake :) Based on experience, in about 20% of games (of course, this is just an estimate), you can actually win after losing. I'm too lazy to look it up, it's been a while, but Decontaminator won a game even when he was blocked in his castle. He waited, skipped turns, and won.
This is already turning a beloved game into some kind of professional sport. Spending 2-3 weeks skipping turns in the hope that your opponent will lose is, excuse me, not enjoyable. I understand this might be acceptable in some serious tournament.
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14 years ago
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This is better, in my opinion.
No, there's no glare on the last digit "2" there!

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