Posts from Мафия 39. Piece of emptiness for the small December.

Have you seen how Mold played?) He was writing such things that I had no doubts about him being a member of the Mafia.

Well, he gave himself away with Godless =/ And most importantly, no one hinted that it was Godless, not Mold. No one. Besides, Mold himself strongly hinted that he visited you that night, so he denied being Godless.

1 South guardian - Amko ++
2 Merchant - Ment ++
3 Bio - WishmasteR ++
4 North guardian - Киц Кицунька ++
5 Empty - RiMpel2 ++
6 Demo - Loreley ++
7 Technocrazy - Драккошка ++
8 Scientist - L.Depravado ++
9 Underworker - Небо ++
10 Doctor - Dgak ++
11 Watcher - Spear ++
12 Bruno - Dragneel ++
13 Ghost - ToX ++
14 Medic - Нэйра Дрейк ++
15 Mechanic - Arandor ++
16 Seawave - Xostor ++
17 Godless - Ple-Sen ++
18 Surgeon - WhiteLizard ++
19 Engineer - Morning ++

Night 1
. Bribe(Merchant) --- Ment - bribe ToX. -inactive
. Redirect ND/disarm(Engineer) --- Morning - redirect Xostor/ToX -inactive
. Attack(Bruno) --- Dragneel - block WhiteLizard +
. Anesthesia(Surgeon) --- WhiteLizard - anesthesia on Spear -blocked
. Switch(Mechanic) --- Arandor - block RiMpel2. Dog sent to Spear.+
. Lightning(Doctor) -
. Steam cannon/curtain(Technocrazy) --- Драккошка - steam curtain on Arandor +
. Stun charge(Demo) -
. EMP/shock(Underworker) --- Небо - EMP on Xostor +(loses kill)
. Lightning attack/observation(North guardian) --- Киц Кицунька - observe Драккошка +
. Check/protection(South guardian) --- Amko - check Morning +
. Protection(Bio) -
. Demoralize(Ghost) -
. Bold conversation(Seawave) -
. Comparison(Scientist) --- L.Depravado - comparison of Нэйра and Xostor +
. Check/sermon(Godless) --- Ple-Sen - check status altered/pureblood on Arandor -failed
. Kill(Raiders) --- Demo: Loreley - mine Morning +
. Kill(Visitor) --- RiMpel2 - kill Ment -ignore Dgak -block ignored
. Kill(Guards) -
. Heal(Medic) --- Нэйра Дрейк - heal RiMpel2 -failed
. Heal(Surgeon) --- WhiteLizard -

Clue on RiMpel2
Picture in signature, "Toy Story" characters, among them is the character Buzz Lightyear.
Lightyear - light year. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4
Previously, a light year was called the distance traveled by light in one tropical year.
"time-worn picture with an island and palm trees."

Hints at role:
Ment - Merchant
"small house for special occasions" - guest house from beyond the barrier.
"people in the house" - guards.

Night 2

. Redirect ND/disarm(Engineer) --- Morning -redirect Xostor/ToX -inactive
. Attack(Bruno) --- Dragneel - block RiMpel2 +
. Anesthesia(Surgeon) --- WhiteLizard -
. Switch(Mechanic) --- Arandor - block Dragneel. +
. Lightning(Doctor) -
. Steam cannon/curtain(Technocrazy) --- Драккошка - steam cannon on Dragneel -failed
. Stun charge(Demo) -
. EMP/shock(Underworker) --- Небо - shock discharge on ToX +(no effect)
. Lightning attack/observation(North guardian) --- Киц Кицунька - lightning attack on Драккошка +
. Check/protection(South guardian) --- Amko - protect Morning -hits a mine, protection does not save +
. Protection(Bio) -
. Demoralize(Ghost) -
. Bold conversation(Seawave) -
. Comparison(Scientist) --- L.Depravado - comparison of Нэйра and Киц +
. Check/sermon(Godless) --- Ple-Sen - check status altered/pureblood on Xostor +
. Kill(Raiders) --- Ghost: ToX - kill Spear -protection works +
. Kill(Visitor) --- RiMpel2 - kill Драккошка -ignore Небо -status(not human/pureblood) -block ignored -no clues+
. Kill(Guards) -
. Heal(Medic) --- Нэйра Дрейк - heal Loreley +
. Heal(Surgeon) --- WhiteLizard -

Clue on Loreley
Large deck of cards. A large deck usually has jokers. Jokers - Batman. Batman - the Dark Knight. "Skype - Dark Knight".

Hints at role:
Amko - South guardian
"should have been a bit tougher" - use kill.
"heavy steps" - weight of armor.
"endurance shown when hitting a tree by an explosion wave" - armor and strength of body.

Драккошка - Technocrazy
"opportunity to defend" - steam cannon, a weapon unable to kill, but capable of disabling the opponent.

Night 3

. Redirect ND/disarm(Engineer) --- Morning - redirect Xostor/ToX -inactive
. Attack(Bruno) --- Dragneel - block Arandor +
. Anesthesia(Surgeon) --- WhiteLizard -
. Switch(Mechanic) --- Arandor - block Spear -blocked
. Lightning(Doctor) -
. Stun charge(Demo) -
. EMP/shock(Underworker) --- Небо - shock discharge on Spear +(no effect)
. Lightning attack/observation(North guardian) --- Киц Кицунька - check Spear(human/not human) +
. Protection(Bio) - ult
. Demoralize(Ghost) -
. Bold conversation(Seawave) -
. Comparison(Scientist) --- L.Depravado - comparison of Ple-Sen and ToX +
. Check/sermon(Godless) --- Ple-Sen - check status (human/not human) on ToX +
. Kill(Raiders) --- Ghost: ToX - kill WhiteLizard +
. Kill(Visitor) --- RiMpel2 - kill Киц -ignore Arandor's -status(not human/pureblood)+
. Kill(Guards) -
. Heal(Medic) --- Нэйра Дрейк - ult
. Heal(Surgeon) --- WhiteLizard - heal Morning +

Empty acquires North guardian trait - Rage: Kills their killer.

ult. Bio
ult. Medic(first victim)

Clue on RiMpel2
"It was foolish to leave the house today, she would have been safe there" http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%8B
.There is a belief that a vampire cannot enter a house without an invitation.
Clan in profile Vampires

Hints at role:
Киц Кицунька - North guardian
"dodging bullets, high speed" - agility of the guardian.
"a cold hand immediately grabbed her by the neck, preventing her from doing what she intended" - attempt at a counterattack.

Небо - Underworker
" Citizens found Небо in one of the technical warehouses; he was tidying up some equipment. Without offering resistance, he proceeded to the temporary isolator".
Tidying up equipment. Underground is exactly what he did most of the time.

Night 4

. Redirect ND/disarm(Engineer) --- Morning - redirect Xostor/ToX +
. Attack(Bruno) --- Dragneel -
. Anesthesia(Surgeon) --- WhiteLizard - block RiMpel2 +
. Switch(Mechanic) --- Arandor - block Morning. Dog sent to RiMpel2 +
. Lightning(Doctor) - ult.
. Stun charge(Demo) -
. Protection(Bio) -
. Demoralize(Ghost) -
. Bold conversation(Seawave) --- Xostor - steal voice from Morning -redirected to WhiteLizard +
. Comparison(Scientist) --- L.Depravado - comparison of Arandor and ToX +
. Check/sermon(Godless) --- Ple-Sen - check status (human/not human) on L.Depravado +
. Kill(Raiders) --- Ghost: ToX - kill WhiteLizard -redirected to Morning -failed
. Kill(Visitor) --- RiMpel2 - ult. kill Нэйра/resurrection of Amko -ignore Dgak's -status(not human/pureblood) -block ignored +
. Kill(Guards) -
. Heal(Medic) --- Нэйра Дрейк - heal Morning -failed
. Heal(Surgeon) --- WhiteLizard -

Empry acquires Medic trait - Self-healing: impossible to affect the successful ND chance modifier.

ult. Doctor - kill Spear

Clue on RiMpel2
"a small ceiling lamp burst and showered fragments onto the floor." - Hint at the Pixar studio logo(creators of Toy Story).

Hints at role:
Нэйра Дрейк - Medic
"Нэйра sat at home and carefully packed things just sent to her into a bag" - Medical supplies, medicines that require careful storage and are consumables requiring constant replenishment/replacement.

Ple-Sen - Godless
"... people burst into Ple-Sen's house and demanded he surrender; he rose from the table and said just a few words that dampened the crowd's fervor. When he was led into custody, people felt guilty... "
They took a priest into custody.

Night 5

. Redirect ND/disarm(Engineer) --- Morning - defuse L,Depravado +
. Attack(Bruno) --- Dragneel - block Morning +
. Anesthesia(Surgeon) --- WhiteLizard - block Loreley -failed
. Switch(Mechanic) --- Arandor - block Dgak. Dog sent to Amko -failed
. Lightning(Doctor) -
. Stun charge(Demo) -
. Protection(Bio) -
. Demoralize(Ghost) -
. Bold conversation(Seawave) -
. Comparison(Scientist) --- L.Depravado - comparison of Morning and Xostor +
. Kill(Raiders) --- Doctor: Dgak - kill Amko +
. Kill(Visitor) --- RiMpel2 - ult. Kill ToX and Loreley. Ignore Dragneel.
. Kill(Guards) --- Amko - kill Xostor -
. Heal(Surgeon) --- WhiteLizard -

ult. Demo

Empty receives block immunity.

Clues:
Dgak - Doctor
"The doctor, looking at the lifeless body of his victim, sighed and said something in broken Italian."
XDgakondAX - Skype. Sounds like Gioconda, http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%9B%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0

No clues on Empty.

Hints at role:
Amko - South guardian
"He crashed to the ground with a roar" - Guardian armor.

Loreley - Demo
"scattering a strange gray powder" - Gunpowder, used in explosives.

ToX - Ghost
"sat by the campfire and looked at the sun that was pleasant to his eyes" - Hint that he was somewhere outside the residential houses of the barrier, like an outsider. And a hint at rural origin.
"ToX was killed, just like all the others." - Just like everyone else in his village.

Night 6

. Redirect ND/disarm(Engineer) --- Morning - change targets Dgak and Arandor +
. Attack(Bruno) --- Dragneel -
. Anesthesia(Surgeon) --- WhiteLizard -
. Switch(Mechanic) --- Arandor - block WishmasteR. Dog sent to WhiteLizard -redirected to RiMpal2 +
. Lightning(Doctor) --- Dgak - stun RiMpel2 -redirected to WishmasteR +
. Protection(Bio) -
. Bold conversation(Seawave) -
. Comparison(Scientist) --- L.Depravado - comparison of Dragneel and Arandor +
. Kill(Raiders) --- Bio: WishmasteR - kill WhiteLizard +
. Kill(Visitor) --- RiMpel2 - ult. devastation - Kill Dragneel. +
. Heal(Surgeon) --- WhiteLizard - heal Dragneel. -

Empty acquires "Iron Will" ability.

Clues on killers:
WishmasteR - Bio
"A memory of the time when he was rich flashed through the killer's mind"
Lyrics from a Baroness song in the signature.

Hints at role:
WhiteLizard - Surgeon
"realizing that nothing would help him anymore, he tried to alleviate his suffering as much as possible."
Injected himself with a dose of anesthesia.

Dragneel - Bruno
"Despite all his combat skill, he could oppose nothing against the enemy."
Precisely.

Night 7

. Redirect ND/disarm(Engineer) --- Morning - change targets Xostor and Dgak +
. Switch(Mechanic) --- Arandor - block WishmasteR. +
. Lightning(Doctor) --- Dgak - stun Morning +
. Protection(Bio) -
. Bold conversation(Seawave) -
. Comparison(Scientist) --- L.Depravado - comparison of Dgak and WishmasteR +
. Kill(Raiders) --- Bio: WishmasteR - kill Morning -
. Kill(Visitor) --- RiMpel2 - Kill Xostor, ignore Dgak +

Hints at role:
Xostor - Seawave
"was confident in his skills as a shooter"

Night 8

. Redirect ND/disarm(Engineer) --- Morning - change targets Arandor and WishmasteR +
. Switch(Mechanic) --- Arandor - block RiMpel2. -redirected to L.Depravado +
. Protection(Bio) -
. Comparison(Scientist) --- L.Depravado -
. Kill(Raiders) --- Bio: WishmasteR - kill L.Depravado -redirected to RiMpel2 +
. Kill(Visitor) --- RiMpel2 - Kill Arandor, ignore Arandor +

Well, he was exposed by Godless =/ And most importantly, no one hinted that he was Godless, not Mold. No one. Besides, Mold himself strongly hinted that he visited you that night, so he denied the accusation.

In that case, no matter how obvious the hints are, they won't help. He simply doesn't fit the role in the story, not at all.

in any case, the peaceful players didn't want to give the mafia a chance (it would have been 50/50 with them)

What difference does it make to the town who wins – the mafia or the maniac – if they lose? In the case of executing a mafia member that day, the town automatically lost; if they had executed the maniac, there would have been a chance to win, even if it was only a 50% chance.

Added 9 minutes later

Regarding the mafia's game: they messed up every night, one after another, and the maniac killed everyone.

I disagree with that. In the first night, you were targeted, which led to the death of the town's sharpshooter the following night.
In the second night, they killed Spira, but he was protected (this was just random, not our mistake), which is why they later suspected him of being the maniac/watcher.
In the third night, it wouldn't have mattered who we chose; the doctor's ultimate ability would have saved them anyway.
In the fourth night, perhaps yes, the kill could have been successful if we had chosen a different killer.
In the fifth night, Amka was killed again. Moreover, it made no sense for anyone other than Jack to kill him.
In the sixth night, Lizard was killed.
I don't know what happened after that; I was killed. In total, there was 1 mistake during the night (in terms of kills).

And why did they kill me on the second night? (
They kept suspecting me of something.

On the second night, they tried to kill Spir, but his defense saved him (this was just luck, not our mistake), which led to him being seen as a maniac/vigilante later on.

Second night plus fourth night. First, they didn't kill anyone, then they wasted their ultimate ability on the vigilante, failing a normal kill and leaving themselves unable to deal with the maniac, which resulted in him shooting you down like targets in a shooting range. Did you at least manage to fit a tropical island into the profile? Throughout the game, they considered Rimpel a doctor because he attacked, and it wasn't his turn.
They wasted Bio's ultimate ability, overplayed it.

As for "there's no chance against the maniac, there is a chance against the mafia, what difference does it make to the town who loses if they're going to lose anyway," there was a small chance in both cases. I knew that only Vishmaster could block Arandor, so I manipulated things so that the block would fall on a town member. He could have protected against Rimpel if he had attacked the same town member. The fact that Vishmaster then attacked Lynx only shows the mafia's frustration, which isn't surprising, as victory was so close. Just within reach. But personally, I didn't care who lost. Yes, I made a mistake and was deceived, and I participated with everyone else in the town's downfall. After such audacity, sadness, another of Hosa's antics during the vote, and the fact that the maniac killed everyone, leaving behind unsolved clues that they couldn't, and after a certain point, didn't want to solve (because the maniac is now useful to the town, as the town is losing badly), while the mafia was chilling, failing their kills, while the maniac was mowing down the town, I took a justified risk to ensure that the mafia definitely wouldn't win. Even though the formula "better the maniac than the mafia, he always sucks anyway" didn't seem fair in this case, given his overpoweredness, there was more dislike towards the mafia.

Playing as Mafia was incredibly tedious. Although I tried to push through, being a silent player just wasn't working for me. So, I just sat there and threw in random votes, voice claims, and item suggestions. I didn't write that angry post to make everyone else think, "Oh, he's the townie, but with a baguette," but because I was genuinely annoyed, and it completely killed my desire to have fun playing the game. I found it somewhat amusing how Lizard and Lynx kept voting against me when there were so many other people around. I understand there were suspicions and such, but they needed to present some kind of evidence or analysis, instead of repeating the same thing hundreds of times. I'd even swear if I were in the mood about the last day. As it is, it's a perfect example of how useless the town's gameplay can be. Here's a quick rundown of Arandor and Locken's skills, with a bit of analysis: In town: Scientist, Mechanic, and Engineer. In Mafia: Doctor and Bio. Mechanic - blocks Bio. Scientist - skips Night. Engineer - swaps the targets of Doctor and Scientist (Doctor's action is nullified). That's it. That's all! It's like playing in kindergarten, maybe even a nursery group. You simply can't come up with a more idiotic way to lose. Overall, I agree with Revan's posts. I could share more of my opinion on the rule violations and other nonsense, but who cares? Well, that's enough. Thanks to the team for making it interesting. Special thanks to Jack, who stood out in the chat more than once. Thanks to the townies who played smart and honestly, but died. Rimp, congratulations, you played well.

The second night plus the fourth.

What was the mistake in the second night? Was it that the role survived due to random chance?

I can repeat again – there was absolutely no chance against the maniac. It’s impossible to block him after Bruno is killed, and therefore, the only chance that the murder will fail is if the maniac lands on a role that Arandor has disabled. And considering that Rimpel was definitely familiar with the features and actions of the roles, he came to the conclusion that killing Arandor would succeed in any case. In fact, that’s where he went in the last night, strangely enough.

What else will you tell me? Maybe you can explain that redirection only works if both targets have moved, and you can't block players this way with a free action? Or that you can't redirect a Scholar at all, even if he moves?
What a kindergarten level, how can Hostor not understand such a simple thing.

The Mobs played well during the day, but not so well at night, in my opinion. There were some good moves, but it was already too late when a significant portion of the strong town roles had died.
The Mafia player did a great job. He played very well, despite the overpowered nature of his role.
The Town played as usual. As for me and the "rule violation," although I don't deny that I played poorly, there was no violation, and there couldn't be, given the paradoxical nature of the rules. And this shows that this rule needs to be revised (either allow people to say anything (but not provide proof links with the results of the Night Phase, etc.), or impose a complete ban, in my opinion).

Basically, I'll express my opinion as a GM regarding the Maniac.
I've never been happy (except maybe in the first game) with the fact that the Maniac in each game is just a lone killer, essentially with no chance of winning. The Maniac won twice out of 39 games. Twice, what a result. Hossy had a godlike game in Zybr's game, what a result. The Maniacs almost made it to the end, the Maniacs killed, the Maniacs made it to the third night. This is all good, but I don't really like it.
As I wanted, I made the Maniac the third faction, specifically the third faction, a role that needs to be taken into account and treated seriously. And I gave him abilities, but not just randomly, I'll explain my logic now.

I. Immune to the first attempt, after that receives 50% protection.
Well, it's pretty clear here, protection, the Maniac is alone, and if he's just killed randomly, it won't be very good.
II. One immunity to daytime voting.
I added this as protection against randomness, again. And to give the Maniac a chance to survive, somehow making the others interested in it.
III. Takes the abilities and weapon of the victim, can use them for two days (not all, which ones are announced by the GM).
A good ability, actually, there wasn't anything particularly serious acquired, but it gave additional information about the roles.
IV. 50% chance to not leave clues.
The Maniac is alone, clues are always given for one person, with a large number of clues, it's easier to identify the player.
V. Does not die from protection.
The situation is the same here, it would be quite stupid to die from protection.
VI. Every night, he can choose a target, whose actions will be ignored in relation to him.
Why not? He is alone.
VII. 50% chance to avoid a block.
I think that every Maniac should have this ability. It's very easy to identify the Maniac by the block, so easy that it's ridiculous. This cannot be allowed :3

However, even with all these OP abilities, he could have lost, you could say he was lucky with the killing of Hossy at the end, otherwise the Mafia would have won. In general, Rimp played very well. Malasa!

However, this doesn't excuse Nebka's actions; he performed even worse than Jack as an Alchemist, and then complained that idiots executed him for no reason.

Did you even read those posts? Or is the only word you see "butthurt"? I didn't call anyone an idiot, and I didn't say they were executed for no reason, lol. I've already explained everything else.

He wrote that "what if I shouted like Arandor?", "my hints and arguments wouldn't help, I would still be executed", "the city doesn't care anymore, they would execute me anyway". I read these posts. Do you think that's how it should be?

The setting turned out to be very interesting and beautifully written, but also very complex, confusing, and, in my opinion, unbalanced. The clues were probably on par with Toxha's. And although the descriptions were excellent, they were still a bit more complicated than necessary (although, it wasn't as obvious as in my case). And the death descriptions were hilarious. It was very funny to watch how, after my death, people continued to talk about how the doctor was still alive, and I was some kind of nobody. They even managed to accuse me of being a Mafia member. Although I played terribly myself, I must note that the Town also played poorly. Of course, after my death, I didn't pay much attention to the players' posts, but I'm sure they didn't do anything special during that time. Although, as far as I remember, Liz, whom I saved, thought he was doing well, but unfortunately, he didn't have enough persuasiveness to be listened to. I don't want to offend anyone, but I still think that, overall, the Mafia played better than the Town. Although, as soon as the HP phase started for the Mafia, I realized that Hostor was a Mafia member, although I wasn't completely sure, but my prediction turned out to be correct. And before my death, I suspected almost everyone who needed to be suspected of being a Mafia member, but overall, they behaved a little better. Rimp, of course, played excellently, but he still won due to being overpowered. Why make it so that the Serial Killer is only eliminated after the second execution, when he already has a ton of powerful abilities and special features? Thank you all for the game, thank you Vistritik for the interesting and original setting, and congratulations to Rimp on the victory!

It was quite amusing to see how, after my death, people continued to talk about the doctor still being alive, while I was just some random guy. They even attributed the success to the Mafia.

That's actually how it should be. Even the rules state that a hint is given about the role of the deceased, but not the role itself is fully revealed.