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#2919
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The first part of the post contradicts the second.
There was no reason to prohibit restoring the last saved position in a game, as it's ridiculous.
I completely agree.
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Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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Oelm
The first part of the post contradicts the second.

It doesn't contradict; read my previous post and compare. There's a subtext. The time limit and the screenshot are analogous to the current chess time limit and memory. In Heroes, it's impossible to remember everything very accurately due to the huge number of saved games and the long break between them, as well as the variety of templates and maps, but it is quite possible to remember them when starting the game within a certain time.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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In Heroes, it's impossible to remember everything very precisely due to the huge number of saved games and the long gap between them, as well as the variety of templates and maps.
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By the way, in chess, the entire board is in front of the players' eyes, and almost all players, even not particularly strong ones, can accurately play games of 60 moves or more over the phone with their eyes closed, possessing phenomenal memory. They can even reconstruct childhood games from memory with extremely high accuracy. Therefore, there was no point in banning the restoration of the last saved position in a game, as that would be laughable.
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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Oelm
But seriously. I don't think I represent the majority here, but I genuinely enjoy it when my opponent plays as well as possible. And if a game is paused, I'm even happy if they do something they probably wouldn't have done under time pressure, and conversely, it's unpleasant when an opponent starts playing poorly because they couldn't review the save beforehand. And those who happily write about winning because the player made a mistake or broke a Ranked Realms rule make me sick.

Respect! :smile20:
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This suggests that if there were a reason for chess players to be restricted, it would have been done. But since there isn't, it's pointless because it simply won't affect the game. This is because they have everything in their memory, while we can't hold everything, so we need to prove everything in the game, rather than spending a week thinking about it. Moreover, studying psychology easily leads to the most elementary conclusion: allow breaking saves in free time, and they will break them on other days too! People are very interested, and the natural urge and interest always take precedence over restrictions. Moreover, it seems obvious to me – it's just a way to encourage cheating. Therefore, restoring the game state should only be allowed during the game.

How does it bother you to restore the lost game state when connecting with an opponent?
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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Nothing prevents it if he really wants to (though, of course, I can watch for half an hour).
Земля нуля.
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Gentlemen, I'm not very familiar with the features of the HD mod, but I recently encountered this:
I sat down to play with a strong opponent, who represented one of the resources on the interportal. And, while slightly tipsy (I'm not hiding this fact, maybe I clicked something wrong), instead of pressing F4, I pressed F2, and they wrote to me that he was busy studying the editor. In general, what should be displayed if the opponent is cheating? In my case, it showed "map editor detected."
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.
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#2926
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Who is smarter, R55Max or Oelm? :D

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omg, did you screenshot this?
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Oelm
Nothing prevents it if he really wants to (although I can watch for half an hour).

So, there's no point in allowing them to be watched outside the game, so as not to encourage cheaters.

And the viewing limit before continuing the game usually ends after the player who lost track of the game passes their turn. By the way, during the 8-minute countdown, you can take all the necessary screenshots, and the barter mod aims to make the 8-minute countdown start after pressing the "accept turn" key. As a result, you will have + the opponent's turn + time to study the map until you press the "accept turn" button. That's all.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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R55Max
By the way, during the 8-minute countdown, you can take all the necessary screenshots. The barter mod aims to make the 8-minute countdown start only after pressing the "end turn" key. As a result, you'll have an extra turn to study the map, plus the opponent's turn, until you press the "end turn" button. That's the whole idea.
In this scenario, the purpose of the timer seems to be lost...
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Javdet
I press F2 instead of F4, and they tell me that he is busy studying the editor. In general, what should be written if the opponent is cheating? I saw "map editor detected".
You yourself were caught doing something like that. I even have a screenshot somewhere :)

Oelm: Here are the rules:
Fair Play
The most important point: players must play fairly and respect each other.
- It is forbidden to use cheat codes and all kinds of "bugs" during the game.
- No one is allowed to open the save file of an unfinished game, except for the judge/tournament organizer or a member of the arbitration committee, and only in the event of a controversial situation in the game. If, at the moment a controversial situation arises that requires opening the save files, there is no connection with the judge/organizer/arbitration committee, the game must be interrupted and saved by both participants until they can connect with the judges.
- It is forbidden to open the map in the editor on which the game is being played until the game is over.
The game is considered finished when one player has completely destroyed the other or one of them has surrendered, which must be confirmed via ICQ. Only after this is it allowed to open the save files and view the map in the editor.
Players who agreed to play are responsible for all actions that occur on the players' computers during the game and/or related to the unfinished game.
You cannot open the save file under any circumstances, not even to think about it, try out different strategies, or forward it to someone, and keep Cobra away from the computer by a meter :D

You haven't forgotten your game with Sam-56 yet, have you?
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Snooppy
The purpose of the timer seems to get lost in this picture...
This isn't about the timer.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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Kostyanich, explain what "autopsy" means.
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Dirty_Player
You yourself were once screenshotted with something like that. I even have a screenshot somewhere :)

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why are you talking nonsense?
you probably do have a screenshot, but it's definitely not with the Map Editor. As I figured later, it was most likely that two versions were running, but the guy didn't bother to ask properly - he left - and then started blaming me
plus we were playing on the HeroesWorld rate, which I play maybe once every six months if at all.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.
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Dirty_Player
Under no circumstances should you open a save file, not even to examine it, try out different combinations, or send it to someone else, and keep Cobra away from the computer by at least a meter.

Is anyone claiming otherwise?

I would have already added a rule: break the fingers of hackers who create CHEAT programs:smile51: