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What default time limit per turn should be set for playoff games?
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R55Max
There are just over 2 days left until the results are announced.
So, on November 30th at 23:00 Moscow time (due to my late time zone), the final results will be posted, including technical ones.

Since I notified almost all players a week in advance and constantly urged them to finish their games during the tournament, the deadline for completing the group stage games will be extended to December 6th, inclusive, in cases where a game is "saved"! In all other cases, those who "don't like to communicate" via available means of communication with their opponent will be penalized with technical losses.[/B]

Come on, just extend it until the new year! It's extremely unserious to drag it out for 2 MONTHS!!!!! and not be able to play :confused: to postpone it to the last days and then extend it:eek: and the anticipation is already killing the mood... well...:smile32:
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I agree with Tanya Max. According to the rules, they should be penalized. It seems like people wanted to play, so what compromises are we talking about?

P.S. We need to encourage active players and penalize passive ones, because if they advance further, the same problems with deadlines will arise again. They are just prolonging the tournament.
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I'm also against extending it!
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I don't quite understand what the problem is! Group stage matches allow 2 weeks per game! Additional matches, in case of a tie in points, are also games. They are given less time (in total, 2 weeks - until December 14).

Extending the games with saved progress until December 6 is essentially insignificant, considering that the draw will be held on time, and everyone will find their opponent or a possible opponent from the available options. And don't forget that the first stage of the playoffs ends only on December 28 (if the games proceed faster, the deadlines will be reduced).

Those who have the opportunity to play frequently - the tournament is not held ONLY for you, but for 80 participants.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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R55Max
Those who have the opportunity to play frequently – the tournament is not ONLY for you, but for 80 participants.
That's correct! I sincerely envy people who can play several games a day, but not everyone can. Extending the tournament is related to additional games in groups where players share 1st-3rd place. Also, it's for situations like those of Keb and Satir.

The tournament draw will still be on 01.12.11. Most likely, it will be live. The time will be announced later.
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Those who have the opportunity to play often – the tournament is not held ONLY for you, but for 80 participants.
Golden words!!! But it seems to me that, on the contrary, most players are waiting for a few:cool:
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That's right! I sincerely envy people who can play several games a day, but not everyone is like that. Extending the tournament is due to additional games in groups where players share 1-3 places. Also, for situations like Keba and Satyr.
In 2 months, you could be without internet for 30 days, go on vacation for a couple of weeks, and, in extreme cases, go to an internet cafe to play your game (connection problems are something that can affect everyone, but why it is resolved in the last days is not clear to me:confused:).
As for finishing games when there is a tie in points in a group, there were no questions, because it was discussed in advance.
But the fact that there are so many unfinished games by the end of the tour is simply infuriating:mad: I usually keep silent, but this time I just couldn't!!!
R55Max
Since I informed almost all players a week in advance and constantly urged them, throughout the tournament, in other cases, those who "don't like to communicate" through available means of communication with the opponent will be punished with losses, and maybe you will find time to play without talking to each other for this.
And I immediately suggest that those players who sign up for the tournament and disappear during its course without warning:smile29: and as it was said ""don't like to communicate" through available means of communication with the opponent should be immediately noted and not accepted in subsequent tournaments:smile29:
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Scorpiona
And here's what's frustrating: so many unplayed matches by the end of the round:mad: I usually stay silent, but this time I just had to say something!!!
But are there really that many unplayed matches? Compared to other tournaments, we're doing very well. I think this panic that suddenly arose is unfounded.
Scorpiona
not to be included in future tournaments:smile29:
That suggestion was made before. In my opinion, it's fair. But for some reason, we can't seem to implement it. :confused:
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Actually, as the tournament nears its end, we face difficulties in 2 out of 16 groups, but everyone who needed to play has already done so. The panic is simply unfounded.
In all tournaments, there are always some loose ends to tie up towards the end of the group stage, and there are very few of them. There's no need to look at the tables and shout about things you don't understand; there are many nuances that prevent us from immediately assigning losses, and we are waiting for tomorrow. Everything that can be delivered will be delivered on the last day.

Moreover, it's simply frustrating to see the stubborn misunderstanding that there are indeed situations (player conflicts) that prevent players from playing!

And as for those people who simply wait for the other opponent to write first or just unnecessarily prolong the conversation, that's a separate issue. They are revealed in tournaments precisely when you are the organizer and constantly communicate with everyone, so, in the future, there will naturally be a different attitude towards them in subsequent tournaments.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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Dirty_Player
That's right! I sincerely envy people who can play several games a day, but not everyone is like that.
:eek: Kostya, did you really think that through, or not?))))

Regarding the deadlines: if we don't include all the people who haven't played 1-2 games in future tournaments, then the tournaments will indeed be held quickly, so quickly that they won't even start :p
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Dirty_Player
Aren't there many games that haven't been played yet? Compared to other tournaments, we are doing very well. I think the panic that suddenly arose is unfounded.
That's right! Fair judges don't succumb to emotions, especially the emotions of the participants!
PS I don't participate (or haven't participated) in tournaments organized by you, but I follow the trends and reports. In fact, it's very nice to see the efforts spent on running tournaments, and, of course, the games themselves (especially those of strong and attentive players).
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30.11.11 Stryfe (red, Dungeon, Shakti, Shakti) def Vigo (blue, Rampart, Kirr, Kirr), 131, Balance
Thank you for the game.
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Stryfe
11/30/11 Stryfe (red, Dungeon, Shakti, Shakti) def. Vigo (blue, Rampart, Kirr, Kirr), 131, Balance
Thanks for the game.
Confirmed. Thanks for the game.
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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The group stage is over.

Groups C and D will compete for places until December 14th.
In group L, the 1st and 2nd places between Keba and Satyr will most likely be determined by a coin toss due to the inability to connect in the game.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...