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#175 11/8/2011 6:08 PM UTC

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I have the impression that the Academy was only 50% complete. Here's a POSSIBLE story of its creation: 1. Five factions, as intended, everything is fine. 2. Units were cut, panic ensued, possible solutions were considered. 3. The idea was to create the Academy instead of the Naga. 4. The creation of the Naga faction was put on hold, slowing down the development of the Academy. 5. All of the above + game bugs = a delay in the release date. 6. The creation of the Academy was frozen, and it was removed from the game, along with everything related to it. Only a few remnants remained, such as the faction name and the option to select the faction in the editor. 7. The game was released, followed by hasty patches. 8. The creation of the Academy was resumed, with plans to introduce it into the game as DLC or an addon. 9. The Academy was released in some form. 10. There was a lot of outrage, joy, and everything as usual... This is just one of the versions I came up with.

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#176 11/8/2011 6:46 PM UTC

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It's almost like a conspiracy! :D
But in general, the world feels ordinary without Elves; they're missing here.

Аксиома Коула: Общая сумма разума на планете - величина постоянная, а население растет...
Асха все обращает на пользу... :smile16:

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#177 11/8/2011 7:31 PM UTC

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I have the impression that the Academy was only 50% complete. Here's a POSSIBLE story of its creation:
1. Five factions, as intended, everything is fine.
2. Units were hastily implemented, causing panic, and possible solutions were sought.
3. The idea to create the Academy instead of the Naga.
4. Resuming the creation of the Naga faction, slowing down the process of creating the Academy.
5. All of the above + game bugs = delaying the release date.
6. Freezing the creation of the Academy, removing it from the game and everything related to it, leaving only a few remnants like the faction name and the option to choose the faction in the editor.
7. Game release, rushed patches.
8. Resuming the creation of the Academy, plans to introduce it into the game: DLC or Addon.
9. The Academy is released in some form.
10. A lot of outrage, joy, and everything as usual...
This is just one of the versions I came up with.

Very useful information to consider, thank you. Russian! Think about who benefits from this.

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#178 11/9/2011 3:44 AM UTC

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This benefits Ubisoft because they can follow an already established scheme of deception:
1. The Academy faction is released in a DLC, people pay for the DLC and play as the Academy.
2. Again, the Academy faction is released together with an expansion pack, people pay for the expansion pack, i.e., for the expansion pack and also pay for the Academy faction, albeit at a lower price.
This is definitely possible!

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#179 11/9/2011 4:54 AM UTC

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If the DLC comes out first, I personally won't buy it for that very reason – the faction will still be in the expansion anyway.

And yet, I hope there won't be any DLC.

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#180 11/9/2011 11:40 AM UTC

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Generally, DLC is a controversial topic, but I think Ubisoft will take any measures to avoid going bankrupt.

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#181 11/13/2011 4:22 PM UTC

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Winner

I still hope there won't be any DLC.

What is DLC?

..изведать то, чего не ведал сроду! глазами, ртом и кожей пить простор! кто в океане видит только воду, тот на земле не замечат ГОР

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#182 11/13/2011 4:28 PM UTC

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Remmor, Downloadable Content - i.e., a small patch with additions that is downloaded from the Internet. Considering the latest video from the final missions, I am changing my assumption. Now I think that the first expansion will include Academy and Dungeon - after all, not Haven, although at least because the developers are famous for their illogical introduction of factions :).

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"Падение Шантири"

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#183 11/19/2011 10:51 AM UTC

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The entire campaign has been completed, and the endings allow us to predict the plot of the future expansion:
The end of the Alliance campaign – the Widow and the Queen of the Falcon Empire become interested in Anton as a man. A romance and marriage are possible. In this case, the empire will become the Griffin Empire.
The end of the Necromancer campaign – Nastya makes peace with her brother, Anton. No prerequisites.
The end of the Inferno campaign – Kirill returns to Shio, and Kha-Belekh says that there is work for Kirill.
The end of the Orc campaign – Peace on all the islands, no prerequisites.
The end of the Naga campaign – the same as with the Orcs.
The end of the epilogues – the Librarian says that the Faceless are ready to attack, but cannot violate the Twilight Pact. Railag says that even without the help of the Faceless themselves, but only with their magic, he and his dark elves will be able to defeat everyone. (It is unknown who they will attack).
Thoughts on the plot:
Step 1: Geography: There are prerequisites for the further plot with Humans and Inferno... and with the Dark Elves. That is, it is likely that the south of Ashan will not be affected (including the Academy. We will most likely see them in a DLC with their own !!secondary!! campaign).
Step 2: Old and new enemies: The hatred of humans towards the Faceless is growing. They will probably attack Railag. Railag and Tuidhana are on the land of the elves. The elves will think that this is an attack on all of Erathia and will declare war on the humans. This is how the Bitter Ash War will begin. Anton will most likely lead the humans.
Step 3: Legions of Chaos: It is unknown what Kha-Belekh needs Kirill for, but it is known that Railag in Heroes 5 was initially a demon... that's it. Perhaps in the course of these events, the demons will wage war with the Dark Elves, and either Railag, who wanted to live forever, will transform into a demon himself, or he will be forcibly transformed, but one thing I know for sure – Agrail (Railag) knew nothing about his past life, so the second option is more likely, but in a strange form... Well, we'll see.
Step 4: Inconsistencies: I think the main problem is the !possible! inconsistency of dates. But everything is still ahead, and we will most likely find out about the expansion in the summer of 2012.

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#184 11/19/2011 2:58 PM UTC

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The Griffin Empire didn't appear out of nowhere. In "Heroes of Might and Magic V," there's a single-player scenario where, playing as the demons, we eliminate the Falcon dynasty. Consequently, after the Falcon dynasty is destroyed, the Griffins take the leading position.

I think the main focus will be on the Elves. I agree with the reasoning about Railag's fate; he'll probably become a demon and then, after the Cleansing ritual, revert to being an elf.

Humans are unlikely to attack for two reasons:
1) The Faceless Ones are hated by the angels, and reasonable people (including Anton) no longer follow them;
2) Railag asked the Faceless Ones for help, but didn't receive it, so there's not much connecting him to them.
It's more likely that the Dark Elves, led by Railag, will launch an attack.

The reasons for the Academy's appearance have already been stated. Until you provide solid evidence that the previous "clues" mean nothing, I'll remain skeptical. After all, it's not difficult to adjust the plot.

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"Падение Шантири"

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#185 11/19/2011 6:46 PM UTC

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1) The Faceless are hated by angels, and reasonable people (including Anton) no longer follow them.

Well, then Anton won't be leading them. But still, it was the people who attacked the elves in the War of the Bitter Ashes. A possible reason is the Faceless (you can think so after playing the campaign). If not, then for what other reason did the people attack the elves??

2) Railag asked the Faceless for help, but he didn't receive it, so he is not very connected to them.

I also watched the video at the end and know that he didn't receive help, specifically from the Faceless, but he learned dark magic from them, of course. I'm saying that he says he will leave a mark on this world thanks to DARK MAGIC, and not the Faceless, as warriors. Although the Faceless can become champions for the Dark Elves, since the use of champions is unlocked in the 3rd mission of the campaign. And by that time, everything may change.

In "Heroes 5" there is a single-player scenario in which we, playing as demons, defeat the Falcon dynasty. Accordingly, after the death of the Falcon clan, the Griffins took the leading position.

I know, I played it. The main character is a succubus. But it's not just that the Griffins took the lead...

The reasons for the appearance of the Academy have already been named. Until you provide solid evidence that the previous "clues" mean nothing. In the end, it's not difficult to adapt the plot.

Let's look at the development of the game Civilization 5. The release of the game was like that of Heroes: a regular version and a deluxe version with cool additions like a new nation and something else. Then DLCs with nations are released (there are many nations in the world, so there are many DLCs, and there are not so many races in Ashan, so it can be one or two DLCs). In general, DLCs are already a mod for games tied to Steam. Heroes may not be an exception. These "clues" are more suitable for the Academy in a DLC than in an expansion. And finally, we can say that all the DLCs of Civilization 5 will be in the expansion for Civ, and therefore the Academy, which was released earlier in a DLC, will also be in the expansion. This is convenient for players who have not bought the DLCs and profitable for Ubisoft because of people who bought the Academy in a DLC and then bought the Academy again in the expansion. Profit out of thin air.
In short, I am inclined to such a vision of the future:
1. Release of a DLC with the Academy
2. Release of an expansion with two types of elves and again with the Academy.
3. Release of a DLC with dwarves... or an expansion with dwarves... and that's it.

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#186 11/19/2011 10:03 PM UTC

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From unofficial sources (the same sources from which the information about the DLC originated), the DLC with the scholars will be free, and all owners of licensed Heroes will be able to install it. Perhaps, owners of pirated copies will be left waiting for the add-on. And they will probably have to wait a long time – until the second faction is created, which will be released with the add-on.

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And I'll add one more thing. "Grim Souls" will occupy a central place in the plot of the dark elf campaign, if one exists. And as you know, this clan made a deal with demons, and in particular with Kha-Belekh, around that time.

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He knew nothing about his past life, so the second option is more likely...

You are fundamentally wrong. Replay the single-player scenario as Agrail in Lords of the Realm.

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#187 11/21/2011 10:39 AM UTC

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According to unofficial sources (the same ones that initially mentioned the DLC), the DLC featuring the Academics will be free, and all owners of licensed versions of Heroes will be able to install it. Perhaps, those who use pirated versions will be left waiting for the add-on.

There's also an example from Civilization. Somehow, clever people keep creating new repacks with new DLC. So, a repack of Heroes with the Academy DLC will be released.

And also, I'll add this. "The Succession Wars" will play a central role in the campaign storyline of the Dark Elves, if such a campaign exists. As we know, this clan made a deal with demons, and specifically with Kha-Beleth, around that time.

Either Ubisoft or Black Hole Entertainment said that we will learn more about the elf clans later. Perhaps he was talking about the add-on.

You are completely wrong. Replay the single-player scenario with Agrael in "Lords of the Realm."

It's just a regular scenario. Oh, right. Agrael's Trial... Damn, I forgot what it was about, and I deleted Heroes 5.

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#188 11/21/2011 12:14 PM UTC

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Hey :) So, where can I find these unofficial sources? Can you PM me a link?

It would be better to introduce 3 old factions and forget about all these dwarves; they don't fit at all. They invented them in one part, and that's it... People nowadays are so primitive in terms of game knowledge that it's scary. I've played all the parts, including the 5th, which I don't consider the best, and in some ways, it's completely bad, but it's inferior to the 2nd and 3rd. Most people discovered Heroes starting with the 5th part, which is a completely different game, although in the 6th, they brought back some mechanics from the old parts.

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#189 11/21/2011 11:22 PM UTC

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So, where can we see these unofficial sources? Can you link something in PM?

http://forums.ag.ru/?board=heroes6&action=display&num=1318301734&goto=6513180 (read the post by ArchWarlock)

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It would be better to introduce 3 old factions and forget about all sorts of dwarves.

I don't know. I've played all the Heroes games except the first one, and my top list (excluding the sixth part, as I haven't decided on it yet) is:
1. Heroes 5
2. Heroes 4
3. Heroes 2
4. Heroes 3
I liked the dwarves' castle. The composition of most factions in the third game always seemed like a hodgepodge to me, which, in my opinion, is a minus. In the fifth part, there was a logic in the composition of the factions, which was not the case before.

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