Мафия 35. The Heads — Mafia

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#155 10/22/2011 3:34 PM UTC

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Slonysh

A clue that points too obviously and bluntly to only one player cannot be genuine. Compare it with other clues from the GM. They are at least ambiguous, while the whiskey is a direct setup.

The main clue should point to only one player. And a false clue, on the other hand, points to both the murderer and the person the murderer wants to frame instead of themselves.

Another question is that the main clue turns out to be too obvious...

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#156 10/22/2011 3:51 PM UTC

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I fell for the whiskey. I liked the theory about 90% and the atomic number of thorium in the periodic table. I harbored resentment towards Thorium for suggesting that I be executed. I am taking revenge on him for writing newspaper articles for two days.

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#157 10/22/2011 3:55 PM UTC

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By the way, I couldn't find any rule that would be similar in meaning to "justification for the decision is required."

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#158 10/22/2011 3:57 PM UTC

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Pandora

The main clue should point only to one player. However, a false clue points to both the murderer and the person the murderer wants to frame.

Another question is that the main clue is too obvious...

Therefore, it is not the main clue. And we need to find in it an indication of the real murderer's profile. Whiskey is not just a simple word "whiskey"; it has many associated elements.

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#159 10/22/2011 3:57 PM UTC

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WisTrit

By the way, I didn't find any rule that would be similar in meaning to "justification for the decision is required."

Are you kidding me?:smile04:

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#160 10/22/2011 4:01 PM UTC

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No, it’s a very specific comment.

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#161 10/22/2011 4:19 PM UTC

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By the way, I didn't find any rule that would be similar in meaning to "justification for the decision is required."

read more carefully

Also, a vote will not be counted without a minimum justification.

NNV - 1 vote (Omega)
Execute Thorium - 1 vote (WisTrit)

7 votes are needed for execution.

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

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#162 10/22/2011 4:19 PM UTC

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WisTrit

No, it's a very specific comment.

Here's a very specific comment in response: the GM's first post states that votes for execution without a minimum justification will not be accepted. :smile01:

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#163 10/22/2011 4:24 PM UTC

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I've read it three times already and can't find anything, are you trolling me?
Maybe I have a personal dislike, maybe I know something others don't, maybe I've psychologically figured it out, maybe I'm a great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandson of Nostradamus and have a vision, maybe I'm psychologically unstable and very shy about expressing my thoughts.

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#164 10/22/2011 4:24 PM UTC

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By the way, the spelling needs to be corrected there.

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

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#165 10/22/2011 4:27 PM UTC

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I've read it three times already and couldn't find it.

For me, it's the end of the 3rd line, beginning of the 4th.

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

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#166 10/22/2011 4:37 PM UTC

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Last edited by Zybr, Today at 22:25.

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#167 10/22/2011 5:44 PM UTC

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Visrita, I suggested voting because if you claim Grim is dead, there's no murder accusation, but there is a block on Visrita, right?
Question for Zubr: how will it be described if Grim tries to recruit Anta? As a regular murder?

Ты страшился тысячи вещей... Но все это были лишь маски, лишь видимости. На самом деле страшило тебя только одно решиться сделать шаг в неизвестное, маленький шаг через все существующие предосторожности. И кто хоть один раз оказывал великое доверие, полагался на судьбу, тот обретал свободу.

Мы не свободные, вольно танцующие автобусы. Мы – привязанные троллейбусы и трамваи

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#168 10/22/2011 5:49 PM UTC

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Which other block? In the first night, there were 2 kills, and in the second night, there were also 2.

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#169 10/22/2011 5:55 PM UTC

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Let's analyze each action:

In the morning, Neira Drake was found in one of the corridors of the mansion. No visible wounds were found on her body. Later, the "Mayor's" personal physician determined that death occurred as a result of asphyxiation; particles of fresh tobacco indicated that Neira had somehow choked on it. The police would classify such a case as an accident, but given that it involves a gathering of world mafia leaders, it's hard to believe. The doctor also reported that with 90% probability, Neira's body was moved from somewhere else, as evidenced by several small abrasions on her body.

So, in favor of your version, it was Grim, that she was moved, and that she was found in the corridor. Plus, some random accident. But this is all just speculation until Tooth confirms it.
Next, there are no visible wounds and asphyxiation. In my opinion, this points to a dart with its poison. A poison with an asphyxiating effect is quite plausible, and the poison from the dart might not be detectable during an autopsy. The particles of fresh tobacco in your version point to Grim, while in my version, they point to Bezim. I just think it's problematic to have a shootout with an AK in a closed room (this is getting ahead of myself).
And finally, the "90%" really bothers me when I read it. I think this is a clue.

Ты страшился тысячи вещей... Но все это были лишь маски, лишь видимости. На самом деле страшило тебя только одно решиться сделать шаг в неизвестное, маленький шаг через все существующие предосторожности. И кто хоть один раз оказывал великое доверие, полагался на судьбу, тот обретал свободу.

Мы не свободные, вольно танцующие автобусы. Мы – привязанные троллейбусы и трамваи